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Package: debian-i18n
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Dear Maintainer,

there some problems with utf8 files...

i not use recent Debian versions, i used directly Devuan,
and respect Debian squeeze i noted that by example the file:
@El universo =C3=BAltimos descubrimientos.mp4@
are displayed as
@El universo ?@ltimos descubrimientos.mp4@

ok that not so bad.. but the problerm not end here,
if i try to added that file to smplayer, smplayer :
1) if the file name are added to list or opened, does not play
2) sometimes file name are not displayed in file browser event i
specified "all files" in filter

this NOT HAPPENED in Debin squeeze, but i noted happened in Debian jeesie
(i never used the wheeze and i now use only the Devuan)

i set correctly the locales to es_VE.utf8 and also generated
en_US.utf8 and es_ES.utf8,
also install all related packages for Spanish including dictionaries

IMPORTANT: i later switch to en_US.utf8 and problems still persis,
i used devuan 1.0.0 final stable but due seems are this problem
inherits from Debian
maybe in the final 1.0.0 stable still persist

-- System Information:
Distributor ID: Devuan
Description: Devuan GNU/Linux 1.0 (jessie)
Release: 1.0
Codename: jessie
Architecture: i686

Kernel: Linux 3.16.0-4-686-pae (SMP w/4 CPU cores)
Locale: LANG=3Des_VE.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=3Des_VE.UTF-8 (charmap=3DANSI_X3.4-196=
8)
Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash
Init: sysvinit (via /sbin/init)


Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com

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On Tue, Jun 06, 2017 at 11:57:22AM -0400, PICCORO McKAY Lenz wrote:
> Package: debian-i18n
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> Dear Maintainer,
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> there some problems with utf8 files...

Is this still an issue?

Mark

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Yes, it is. a long issue.. i am surprised that after many years becoming to
pay attention to users

On Fri, Feb 3, 2023 at 8:44 AM Mark Hindley <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Tue, Jun 06, 2017 at 11:57:22AM -0400, PICCORO McKAY Lenz wrote:
> > Package: debian-i18n
> > Severity: important
> >
> > Dear Maintainer,
> >
> > there some problems with utf8 files...
>
> Is this still an issue?
>
> Mark
>


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<div dir=3D"ltr">Yes, it is. a long issue.. i am surprised that after many =
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On Tue, Jun 06, 2017 at 11:57:22AM -0400, PICCORO McKAY Lenz wrote:<br>
&gt; Package: debian-i18n<br>
&gt; Severity: important<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Dear Maintainer,<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; there some problems with utf8 files...<br>
<br>
Is this still an issue?<br>
<br>
Mark<br>
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Yes, it is. a long issue.. i am surprised that after many years becoming to
pay attention to users

On Fri, Feb 3, 2023 at 8:44 AM Mark Hindley <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Tue, Jun 06, 2017 at 11:57:22AM -0400, PICCORO McKAY Lenz wrote:
> > Package: debian-i18n
> > Severity: important
> >
> > Dear Maintainer,
> >
> > there some problems with utf8 files...
>
> Is this still an issue?
>
> Mark
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Yes, it is. a long issue.. i am surprised that after many =
years becoming to pay attention to users</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote=
"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Feb 3, 2023 at 8:44 AM Mark=
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&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px =
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&gt; Package: debian-i18n<br>
&gt; Severity: important<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Dear Maintainer,<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; there some problems with utf8 files...<br>
<br>
Is this still an issue?<br>
<br>
Mark<br>
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On Tue, Jun 06, 2017 at 11:57:22AM -0400, PICCORO McKAY Lenz wrote:
> Locale: LANG=es_VE.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=es_VE.UTF-8 (charmap=ANSI_X3.4-1968)

You appear to have a mismatched locale setting. Where is the ANSI_X3.4-1968
charmap coming from? What is the output of `locale' and `locale charmap'?

I have no problems with this either in the console or GUI:

/tmp% touch �ltimos
/tmp% ls -l �ltimos
-rw-r--r-- 1 mark mark 0 Feb  3 15:12 �ltimos
/tmp% locale
LANG=en_GB.UTF-8
LANGUAGE=en_GB:en
LC_CTYPE="en_GB.UTF-8"
LC_NUMERIC="en_GB.UTF-8"
LC_TIME="en_GB.UTF-8"
LC_COLLATE="en_GB.UTF-8"
LC_MONETARY="en_GB.UTF-8"
LC_MESSAGES="en_GB.UTF-8"
LC_PAPER="en_GB.UTF-8"
LC_NAME="en_GB.UTF-8"
LC_ADDRESS="en_GB.UTF-8"
LC_TELEPHONE="en_GB.UTF-8"
LC_MEASUREMENT="en_GB.UTF-8"
LC_IDENTIFICATION="en_GB.UTF-8"
LC_ALL=
/tmp% locale charmap
UTF-8

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in the current devuan i dont know were such key raised. the `locale
charmap` command outputs
the same that is another name for USAS X3.4-1968, a revision of ASCII that
is distinguished first revision
to allow a linefeed (LF) to occur on its own (i.e. not preceded by or
followed by a carriage return (CR)).

 iguess is something related to windosers, my current env have mixed
russian and english maybe
due that i have such locale charmap due that revision introduced the common
name of (US-)ASCII.

This is basically ASCII as we think of it, although there were two minor
revisions that followed it.
also desktop in devuan when i set to russian with spanish as default just
dont follow the encoding

On Fri, Feb 3, 2023 at 11:25 AM Mark Hindley <[email protected]> wrote:

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> On Tue, Jun 06, 2017 at 11:57:22AM -0400, PICCORO McKAY Lenz wrote:
> > Locale: LANG=3Des_VE.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=3Des_VE.UTF-8 (charmap=3DANSI_X3.4=
-1968)
>
> You appear to have a mismatched locale setting. Where is the ANSI_X3.4-19=
68
> charmap coming from? What is the output of `locale' and `locale charmap'?
>
> I have no problems with this either in the console or GUI:
>
> /tmp% touch =C3=BAltimos
> /tmp% ls -l =C3=BAltimos
> -rw-r--r-- 1 mark mark 0 Feb  3 15:12 =C3=BAltimos
> /tmp% locale
> LANG=3Den_GB.UTF-8
> LANGUAGE=3Den_GB:en
> LC_CTYPE=3D"en_GB.UTF-8"
> LC_NUMERIC=3D"en_GB.UTF-8"
> LC_TIME=3D"en_GB.UTF-8"
> LC_COLLATE=3D"en_GB.UTF-8"
> LC_MONETARY=3D"en_GB.UTF-8"
> LC_MESSAGES=3D"en_GB.UTF-8"
> LC_PAPER=3D"en_GB.UTF-8"
> LC_NAME=3D"en_GB.UTF-8"
> LC_ADDRESS=3D"en_GB.UTF-8"
> LC_TELEPHONE=3D"en_GB.UTF-8"
> LC_MEASUREMENT=3D"en_GB.UTF-8"
> LC_IDENTIFICATION=3D"en_GB.UTF-8"
> LC_ALL=3D
> /tmp% locale charmap
> UTF-8
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> Mark
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<div dir=3D"ltr">in the current devuan i dont know were such key raised. th=
e `locale charmap` command outputs<br><div>the same that is another name fo=
r <code>USAS X3.4-1968</code>, a revision of <code>ASCII</code> that is dis=
tinguished first revision <br></div><div>to allow a linefeed (<code>LF</cod=
e>) to occur on its own (i.e. not preceded by or followed by a carriage ret=
urn (<code>CR</code>)).</div><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0iguess is something =
related to windosers, my current env have mixed russian and english maybe <=
br></div><div>due that i have such locale charmap due that revision introdu=
ced the common name of <code>(US-)ASCII</code>.</div><div><div class=3D"gma=
il-answercell gmail-post-layout--right"><div class=3D"gmail-s-prose gmail-j=
s-post-body">

<p>This is basically <code>ASCII</code> as we think of it, although there w=
ere two minor revisions that followed it.</p>
    </div></div></div><div>also desktop in devuan when i set to russian wit=
h spanish as default just dont follow the encoding<br></div><div><br></div>=
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b 3, 2023 at 11:25 AM Mark Hindley &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]=
k">[email protected]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_q=
uote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,2=
04);padding-left:1ex"><br>
On Tue, Jun 06, 2017 at 11:57:22AM -0400, PICCORO McKAY Lenz wrote:<br>
&gt; Locale: LANG=3Des_VE.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=3Des_VE.UTF-8 (charmap=3DANSI_X3.=
4-1968)<br>
<br>
You appear to have a mismatched locale setting. Where is the ANSI_X3.4-1968=
<br>
charmap coming from? What is the output of `locale&#39; and `locale charmap=
&#39;?<br>
<br>
I have no problems with this either in the console or GUI:<br>
<br>
/tmp% touch =C3=BAltimos<br>
/tmp% ls -l =C3=BAltimos<br>
-rw-r--r-- 1 mark mark 0 Feb=C2=A0 3 15:12 =C3=BAltimos<br>
/tmp% locale<br>
LANG=3Den_GB.UTF-8<br>
LANGUAGE=3Den_GB:en<br>
LC_CTYPE=3D&quot;en_GB.UTF-8&quot;<br>
LC_NUMERIC=3D&quot;en_GB.UTF-8&quot;<br>
LC_TIME=3D&quot;en_GB.UTF-8&quot;<br>
LC_COLLATE=3D&quot;en_GB.UTF-8&quot;<br>
LC_MONETARY=3D&quot;en_GB.UTF-8&quot;<br>
LC_MESSAGES=3D&quot;en_GB.UTF-8&quot;<br>
LC_PAPER=3D&quot;en_GB.UTF-8&quot;<br>
LC_NAME=3D&quot;en_GB.UTF-8&quot;<br>
LC_ADDRESS=3D&quot;en_GB.UTF-8&quot;<br>
LC_TELEPHONE=3D&quot;en_GB.UTF-8&quot;<br>
LC_MEASUREMENT=3D&quot;en_GB.UTF-8&quot;<br>
LC_IDENTIFICATION=3D&quot;en_GB.UTF-8&quot;<br>
LC_ALL=3D<br>
/tmp% locale charmap<br>
UTF-8<br>
<br>
Mark<br>
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I still can't reproduce this. What terminal emulator are you using?

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maybe cos you dont have mixed lang env.. i was using xterm and sakura but
both build by myself

also i am using devuan 1 and devuan 2, devuan 3 tested and seems if you
install mixed env with chinese , russian and spanish .. it happened..

more users already report this but only in telegram chats from latam, somne
years ago pre covid.. but of course devuan bla bla bla conclaves just said
"it works for me" and later banned those users

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> I still can't reproduce this. What terminal emulator are you using?
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>maybe cos you dont have mixed lang env.. i was using =
xterm and sakura but both build by myself</div><div><br></div><div>also i a=
m using devuan 1 and devuan 2, devuan 3 tested and seems if you install mix=
ed env with chinese , russian and spanish .. it happened.. <br></div><div><=
br></div><div>more users already report this but only in telegram chats fro=
m latam, somne years ago pre covid.. but of course devuan bla bla bla concl=
aves just said &quot;it works for me&quot; and later banned those users<br>=
</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_=
attr">On Tue, Feb 7, 2023 at 8:22 AM Mark Hindley &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mar=
[email protected]">[email protected]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px soli=
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I still can&#39;t reproduce this. What terminal emulator are you using?<br>
<br>
Mark<br>
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On Tue, Feb 07, 2023 at 11:29:48AM -0400, PICCORO McKAY Lenz wrote:
>    maybe cos you dont have mixed lang env.. i was using xterm and sakura
>    but both build by myself

I have setup a mixed landuage environment and still can't reproduce.

Can you try to with the stock xterm, rather than your recompilation please? It
is going to be impossible to debug if I can't replicate it.

Thanks.

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Control: tags -1 unreproducible

On Tue, Feb 07, 2023 at 11:29:48AM -0400, PICCORO McKAY Lenz wrote:
>    maybe cos you dont have mixed lang env.. i was using xterm and sakura
>    but both build by myself

I have setup a mixed landuage environment and still can't reproduce.

Can you try to with the stock xterm, rather than your recompilation please? It
is going to be impossible to debug if I can't replicate it.

Thanks.

Mark

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Ok, I will try.  but i must do at the 15 or 16 of the Feb,.., due currently
i am over traveling and busy,  i will feedback thanks for your interest

On Tue, Feb 7, 2023 at 12:57 PM Mark Hindley <[email protected]> wrote:

> Control: tags -1 unreproducible
>
> On Tue, Feb 07, 2023 at 11:29:48AM -0400, PICCORO McKAY Lenz wrote:
> >    maybe cos you dont have mixed lang env.. i was using xterm and sakura
> >    but both build by myself
>
> I have setup a mixed landuage environment and still can't reproduce.
>
> Can you try to with the stock xterm, rather than your recompilation
> please? It
> is going to be impossible to debug if I can't replicate it.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Mark
>


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<div dir=3D"ltr">Ok, I will try.=C2=A0 but i must do at the 15 or 16 of the=
 Feb,.., due currently i am over traveling and busy,=C2=A0 i will feedback =
thanks for your interest<br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=
=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Feb 7, 2023 at 12:57 PM Mark Hindley =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>&gt; wrot=
e:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0=
.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Control: tags=
 -1 unreproducible<br>
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On Tue, Feb 07, 2023 at 11:29:48AM -0400, PICCORO McKAY Lenz wrote:<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 maybe cos you dont have mixed lang env.. i was using xter=
m and sakura<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 but both build by myself<br>
<br>
I have setup a mixed landuage environment and still can&#39;t reproduce.<br=
>
<br>
Can you try to with the stock xterm, rather than your recompilation please?=
 It<br>
is going to be impossible to debug if I can&#39;t replicate it.<br>
<br>
Thanks.<br>
<br>
Mark<br>
</blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr"=
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ORO)</font><div><font color=3D"#888888"><a href=3D"http://qgqlochekone.blog=
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