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Subject: bug#129: debian-i18n: russian-spanish cant change in display manager
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Package: debian-i18n
Severity: grave
Tags: l10n
Justification: causes non-serious data loss

this bug also was reported in debian also, due seems are the main
distro (due copies of)

Install debian in spanish and added optionally russian and english as
alternate languajes..
When try to access in GDM3 login screen, only Spanish and english are available
NOTE: all the es_XX, ru_XX and en_XX locales where are generated correctly

I Regenerate all the locales again, and remove the stupid gnome-puach dm
install the lightdm (due now debians only offerts nothing about
display managers)
then now russian are available in languaje choices
but are not saved for specific users as defaul languje
and if does not choose for fist time, next time are not set correctly

In resume:

1) the stupid GDM3 does not offer russian languaje option if spanish are default
2) lightdm offers russian laguaje option but are not saved for users
that choose it
3) if user forgot to use russian, when logout and choose it, no
russian are showed
4) if spanish are default or english, missing russian entries are in desktop
5) only gonmepuach desktop use complete russian translations, Xfce4
and LXDE does not .
6) russian translations appears only when are set by default, and then
spanish are missing

Locale: LANG=es_VE.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=es_VE.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8)
Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash

Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com

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I confirmed, its a problem in display managers .. all the debian (and
obviously in consecuence now devuan) display managers are broken..

the lxdm patch  debian/patches/22_ubuntu-i18n_oneiric.patch uses the
profile file to internally set and copy the LC_xxxx environment variables
and property set languaje to desktop user

i backported the LXDM pacakge to Devuan from debian experimental, removed
systemd and use as default display manager,

can now login and set file names correctly and use better the unstranslated
entries in xfce4 menues..  sorry about xfce4 but not set property the
languaje environment if are mixed


*the problem was also inherit from debian due Devuan its just a copy
without systemd.. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=871401
<https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=871401>*



*The post in dev2galaxy forum when a administrator reconized the problem
for years in refracta;*

1) TAKING IN CONSIDERATIONS THE DISPLAY MANAGERS:

gdm does not exits anymore -> gdm3 and its broken for mixed/multilingual
kdm does not exist anymore -> was superset by lightdm+kde theme
lightdm shows the alternates languajes but does not saved and does not set
property all the settings
lxdm are not in repositories, and only are in experimental/sid
sddm are only in winbuntu and not in debian , so then not in devuan
*slim*, does not have languaje selector, so unusefull
wdm ??? please!
xdm !!!! please are complety broken does nto set property the langs
nodm does not set languaje, user wants to change (many users use a same
session as invited users)

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#19 Today 19:01:00 <https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=4279#p4279>
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mckaygerhard wrote:

i dont understand why devuan, err i mean DEBIAN only offers 4 display
managers and only two of them are complex with all features (GDM3 and
lightdm)

Maybe nobody is interested enough to do the work on those other display
managers. Or maybe there are enough devs who think you should be using gdm3
with gnome3 and liking it the way they serve it to you.

so then its a fact that devuan its just a debian copy without systemd, the
same problem are in debian..

Yeah, some of the same. And a good portion of the few devuan devs who exist
would be happy to not have to worry about creating a desktop distribution
and let people do that downstream.

i propose that Devuan has packages of LXDM (years in unstable in Debian)
and others like sddm or property package others, winbuntu offers more
choices: https://packages.ubuntu.com/artful/x-display-manager

Please tell me more about the lxdm you're using. Where did you get it, and
did you have to apply the patch yourself? I use lightdm in my Refracta
isos, and the language selector has caused difficulties for years. We have
a custom live-config script to get around the problems, but that only works
in a live session.
#20 Today 19:18:02 <https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=4280#p4280>

Re: Utf8 problems in X vs console for file names and others
fsmithred wrote:

Or maybe there are enough devs who think you should be using gdm3 with
gnome3 and liking it the way they serve it to you.

WTF!!! i must use gnome-puach due those guys have delirium of power! i dont
think the freedom are in this way!

so then its a fact that devuan its just a debian copy without systemd, the
same problem are in debian..

Yeah, some of the same. And a good portion of the few devuan devs who exist
would be happy to not have to worry about creating a desktop distribution
and let people do that downstream.

i ts the firs time that a devuan forum administrator acepts the facts!

Please tell me more about the lxdm you're using. Where did you get it, and
did you have to apply the patch yourself? I use lightdm in my Refracta
isos, and the language selector has caused difficulties for years. We have
a custom live-config script to get around the problems, but that only works
in a live session.

1) you using the wrong display manager, the guys that make lightdm assumed
only one languaje per system.. also lightdm try to be simple and light but
nevermind! its now complicated and requite lot of depends
2) lxdm! please, the name itselft said! LXDE Display Management, low
depends, too low (compiles into gtk 2.20 and libc6 2.3.6) and i send many
patches to upstream and to debian to solve many bugs..
3) custom scripts must be in postsession in display managers seems you are
manage the problem in worng way.. or well, lxdm provides like ifconig
script post and pre login steps to inserts scripts

i packaged to venenux here:
http://intranet1.net.ve/venenux/mskcommon/desktop/lxdm/
debian has lasted with my patches/bugsreports included:
https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=lxdm

so means ASCII in Devuan now will have lxdm available.. devuan must
backport the lxdm to jessie to solve the broken and stupid slim/lightdm
limitations and errors
*well devuan must change the slimm to lxdm if want to avoid languaje
problems*, the only problem i found in lxdm are screens sizes in dell T110
special servers and Asus Eeepc 2G/4G 7XX models as i documented in the
friendsofdevuan wiki site!

i have repackaged and adapted yet to non-systemd in the venenux repo cited
previously so its not dificult! pleaase, counting that* lxdm solved many
things..  make sense must be adopted by the devuan manpowers*


Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com

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debian (and obviously in consecuence now devuan) display managers are=20
broken.. </p><p>the lxdm patch=C2=A0=20
debian/patches/22_ubuntu-i18n_oneiric.patch uses the profile file to=20
internally set and copy the LC_xxxx environment variables and property=20
set languaje to desktop user</p><p>i backported the LXDM pacakge to Devuan =
from debian experimental, removed systemd and use as default display manage=
r, <br></p><p> can now login and set file names=20
correctly and use better the unstranslated entries in xfce4 menues..=C2=A0=
=20
sorry about xfce4 but not set property the languaje environment if are=20
mixed</p>
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ian due Devuan its just a copy without systemd.. <a href=3D"https://bugs.de=
bian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D871401">https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bi=
n/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D871401</a><br></em></p><p class=3D"gmail-postedit"><b=
r><em></em></p><p class=3D"gmail-postedit"><em>The post in dev2galaxy forum=
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</p><br></div><div class=3D"gmail-postright">1) TAKING IN CONSIDERATIONS TH=
E DISPLAY MANAGERS:<br></div><div class=3D"gmail-postright"><div class=3D"g=
mail-postmsg">
						<p>gdm does not exits anymore -&gt; gdm3 and its broken for mixed/mul=
tilingual<br>kdm does not exist anymore -&gt; was superset by lightdm+kde t=
heme<br>lightdm shows the alternates languajes but does not saved and does =
not set property all the settings<br><span class=3D"gmail-bbu">lxdm are not=
 in repositories, and only are in experimental/sid</span><br>sddm are only =
in winbuntu and not in debian , so then not in devuan<br><strong>slim</stro=
ng>, <span class=3D"gmail-bbu">does not have languaje selector, so unuseful=
l</span><br>wdm ??? please!<br>xdm !!!! please are complety broken does nto=
 set property the langs<br>nodm does not set languaje, user wants to change=
 (many users use a same session as invited users)</p>
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ss=3D"gmail-postmsg"><div class=3D"gmail-quotebox"><blockquote><div><p>
 i dont understand why devuan, err i mean DEBIAN only offers 4 display=20
managers and only two of them are complex with all features (GDM3 and=20
lightdm)</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Maybe nobody is interested=20
enough to do the work on those other display managers. Or maybe there=20
are enough devs who think you should be using gdm3 with gnome3 and=20
liking it the way they serve it to you.</p><div class=3D"gmail-quotebox"><b=
lockquote><div><p>so then its a fact that devuan its just a debian copy wit=
hout systemd, the same problem are in debian..</p></div></blockquote></div>=
<p>Yeah,
 some of the same. And a good portion of the few devuan devs who exist=20
would be happy to not have to worry about creating a desktop=20
distribution and let people do that downstream.</p><div class=3D"gmail-quot=
ebox"><blockquote><div><p>i
 propose that Devuan has packages of LXDM (years in unstable in Debian)=20
and others like sddm or property package others, winbuntu offers more=20
choices: <a href=3D"https://packages.ubuntu.com/artful/x-display-manager" r=
el=3D"nofollow">https://packages.ubuntu.com/artful/x-display-manager</a></p=
></div></blockquote></div><p>Please
 tell me more about the lxdm you&#39;re using. Where did you get it, and di=
d
 you have to apply the patch yourself? I use lightdm in my Refracta=20
isos, and the language selector has caused difficulties for years. We=20
have a custom live-config script to get around the problems, but that=20
only works in a live session.</p>
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		</div><span><span class=3D"gmail-conr">#20</span> <a href=3D"https://dev1=
galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=3D4280#p4280">Today 19:18:02</a></span></div><=
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			<div class=3D"gmail-postbody"><br>Re: Utf8 problems in X vs console for =
file names and others<div class=3D"gmail-postright">
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						<div class=3D"gmail-quotebox"><cite>fsmithred wrote:</cite><blockquot=
e><div><p>Or maybe there are enough devs who think you should be using gdm3=
 with gnome3 and liking it the way they serve it to you.</p></div></blockqu=
ote></div><p>WTF!!! i must use gnome-puach due those guys have delirium of =
power! i dont think the freedom are in this way!</p><div class=3D"gmail-quo=
tebox"><blockquote><div><div class=3D"gmail-quotebox"><blockquote><div><p>s=
o then its a fact that devuan its just a debian copy without systemd, the s=
ame problem are in debian..</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Yeah,
 some of the same. And a good portion of the few devuan devs who exist=20
would be happy to not have to worry about creating a desktop=20
distribution and let people do that downstream.</p></div></blockquote></div=
><p>i ts the firs time that a devuan forum administrator acepts the facts!<=
/p><div class=3D"gmail-quotebox"><blockquote><div><p>Please
 tell me more about the lxdm you&#39;re using. Where did you get it, and di=
d
 you have to apply the patch yourself? I use lightdm in my Refracta=20
isos, and the language selector has caused difficulties for years. We=20
have a custom live-config script to get around the problems, but that=20
only works in a live session.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>1) you=20
using the wrong display manager, the guys that make lightdm assumed only
 one languaje per system.. also lightdm try to be simple and light but=20
nevermind! its now complicated and requite lot of depends<br>2) lxdm!=20
please, the name itselft said! LXDE Display Management, low depends, too
 low (compiles into gtk 2.20 and libc6 2.3.6) and i send many patches to
 upstream and to debian to solve many bugs..<br>3) custom scripts must=20
be in postsession in display managers seems you are manage the problem=20
in worng way.. or well, lxdm provides like ifconig script post and pre=20
login steps to inserts scripts</p><p>i packaged to venenux here: <a href=3D=
"http://intranet1.net.ve/venenux/mskcommon/desktop/lxdm/" rel=3D"nofollow">=
http://intranet1.net.ve/venenux/mskcommon/desktop/lxdm/</a><br>debian has l=
asted with my patches/bugsreports included: <a href=3D"https://packages.deb=
ian.org/search?keywords=3Dlxdm" rel=3D"nofollow">https://packages.debian.or=
g/search?keywords=3Dlxdm</a></p><p>so
 means ASCII in Devuan now will have lxdm available.. devuan must=20
backport the lxdm to jessie to solve the broken and stupid slim/lightdm=20
limitations and errors</p><strong>well devuan must change the slimm to lxdm=
 if want to avoid languaje problems</strong>,
 the only problem i found in lxdm are screens sizes in dell T110 special
 servers and Asus Eeepc 2G/4G 7XX models as i documented in the=20
friendsofdevuan wiki site!</div></div></div></div></div></div><p><span clas=
s=3D"gmail-bbu">i have repackaged and adapted yet to non-systemd in the ven=
enux repo cited previously</span> so its not dificult! pleaase, counting th=
at<strong> lxdm solved many things..=C2=A0 make sense must be adopted by th=
e devuan manpowers</strong></p><br><br clear=3D"all"><div><div class=3D"gma=
il_signature"><font color=3D"#888888">Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)</font><d=
iv><font color=3D"#888888"><a href=3D"http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com" tar=
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