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Ralph Ronnquist <[email protected]>:Devuan Developers <[email protected]>.
Full text available.[email protected], Devuan Developers <[email protected]>:bug#496; Package devuan-project.
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Mark Hindley <[email protected]>:Devuan Developers <[email protected]>.
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Gregory Nowak <[email protected]>:Devuan Developers <[email protected]>.
Full text available.[email protected], Devuan Developers <[email protected]>:bug#496; Package devuan-project.
Full text available.Received: (at 496-done) by bugs.devuan.org; 3 Jul 2021 13:40:03 +0000 Return-Path: <[email protected]> Delivered-To: [email protected] Received: from tupac3.dyne.org [195.169.149.119] by doc.devuan.org with IMAP (fetchmail-6.4.0.beta4) for <debbugs@localhost> (single-drop); Sat, 03 Jul 2021 13:40:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.devuan.dev (mail.devuan.dev [54.36.142.182]) by vm6.ganeti.dyne.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22EBCF608DC for <[email protected]>; Sat, 3 Jul 2021 15:30:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dak.ganeti1.devuan.org (dak.devuan.org [192.168.97.90]) by mail.devuan.dev (Postfix) with SMTP id 400863AC2CE for <[email protected]>; Sat, 3 Jul 2021 13:30:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: (nullmailer pid 9793 invoked by uid 107); Sat, 03 Jul 2021 13:30:25 -0000 From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: #496: fixed in src:tasksel version 3.68+devuan1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2021 13:30:25 +0000 Message-Id: <[email protected]> X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_HELO_FAIL autolearn=disabled version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on tupac3.dyne.org Version: 3.68+devuan1 Source package tasksel (3.68+devuan1) added to Devuan suite unstable. This closes bug report 496. Thanks DAK managing the Devuan archive -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Format: 1.8 Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2021 14:17:44 +0100 Source: tasksel Architecture: source Version: 3.68+devuan1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Devuan Dev Team <[email protected]> Changed-By: Mark Hindley <[email protected]> Closes: 496 Changes: tasksel (3.68+devuan1) unstable; urgency=medium . * Merge Debian 3.68. * Recommend devuan-speech-dispatcher-config-override wherever orca is recommended (Closes: #496). Checksums-Sha1: 8db6c81d9ea8d6095e2c51308161b3fb91242211 17182 tasksel_3.68+devuan1.dsc f4ad620e66af2acbcb8e78c8d3f40a79b614642a 299396 tasksel_3.68+devuan1.tar.xz 5291f790600a23594e14e4d2f095a07d5a7fe892 9718 tasksel_3.68+devuan1_source.buildinfo Checksums-Sha256: 8c371071eac9c4e2bbc04d4291f18cb11a77efd4789520e4588544447af3fb29 17182 tasksel_3.68+devuan1.dsc 6baf5a330621a2384d843e2701ad9fa705008fd7d7f2e0800f16a1760962f1b0 299396 tasksel_3.68+devuan1.tar.xz 8f2c05c77e74bd8ecba0b1a5ecb1bbc426c45d8dd88b3eb5c6af5b6d78d249c5 9718 tasksel_3.68+devuan1_source.buildinfo Files: 95e7594d27773045faa2fb0cb66a2192 17182 tasks optional tasksel_3.68+devuan1.dsc 4d409d2e2ba468009b9691b7f410f082 299396 tasks optional tasksel_3.68+devuan1.tar.xz f9f95668bccd5c7e67ff4844419b14c3 9718 tasks optional tasksel_3.68+devuan1_source.buildinfo -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCgAdFiEEcuPLdzMV36LkZHQ9lFMhJFQZIvsFAmDgZZsACgkQlFMhJFQZ IvsgEQf9FS1jIzKiUpHJoFF0+sx/KodvGBQA5lxWp062mW1fIpzwp1CyLzbTAr7v c69vFLyayG8HrTVRelS0U0CjNubfXxIYRQl69QAattRlhqt5H4Ld++5tPjAjeUh+ pp0opUlKA3aZllO8gh7Ap5TTyCwUpXDgutD6lr06lEVivUP2RIBnBkRO96ItP0P9 +ZaSaZ+bdDlFQ2hr1419tmDpY3zv57PupUCAvSzQjS5tMInAbRhLsLbaoPkmVNot wNVOvSaKzbELLX5sBJRkzY6JyhssMKIABks/Ah/8bqGAFlNKeNPrLd4IF6s0Eb1S gvasN7Rln7ACsoFsf9BWvDGLBhLn0w== =dNzR -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Gregory Nowak <[email protected]>:[email protected]:Received: (at 496-done) by bugs.devuan.org; 3 Jul 2021 13:20:02 +0000 Return-Path: <[email protected]> Delivered-To: [email protected] Received: from tupac3.dyne.org [195.169.149.119] by doc.devuan.org with IMAP (fetchmail-6.4.0.beta4) for <debbugs@localhost> (single-drop); Sat, 03 Jul 2021 13:20:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.devuan.dev (mail.devuan.dev [54.36.142.182]) by vm6.ganeti.dyne.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38F24F6087C for <[email protected]>; Sat, 3 Jul 2021 15:11:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dak.ganeti1.devuan.org (dak.devuan.org [192.168.97.90]) by mail.devuan.dev (Postfix) with SMTP id 4866D3AC2CE for <[email protected]>; Sat, 3 Jul 2021 13:11:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: (nullmailer pid 9216 invoked by uid 107); Sat, 03 Jul 2021 13:11:36 -0000 From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: #496: fixed in src:debian-config-override version 2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2021 13:11:36 +0000 Message-Id: <[email protected]> X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_HELO_FAIL autolearn=disabled version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on tupac3.dyne.org Version: 2.0 Source package debian-config-override (2.0) added to Devuan suite unstable. This closes bug report 496. Thanks DAK managing the Devuan archive -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Format: 1.8 Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2021 14:03:10 +0100 Source: debian-config-override Architecture: source Version: 2.0 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Mark Hindley <[email protected]> Changed-By: Mark Hindley <[email protected]> Closes: 496 Changes: debian-config-override (2.0) unstable; urgency=medium . * No longer experimental. * Target ceres/chimaera. * d/control: debhelper-compat version 13. * Remove debian-pulseaudio-config-override package. * New package devuan-speech-dispatcher-config-override (Closes: #496). Checksums-Sha1: 7adf33d354b486c7b83233af803c7f88b09c86d6 1425 debian-config-override_2.0.dsc 06461d4475ab9edf1e67a862aa1e2aa77669e3be 2012 debian-config-override_2.0.tar.xz a36cfd975faae01cde50e2b9bcdcc4eb3d72fe82 5215 debian-config-override_2.0_source.buildinfo Checksums-Sha256: 87c6143c3dd8071dc88a7602e5dd6675648892d584c9d9b89c474be46fc22617 1425 debian-config-override_2.0.dsc ba17e0fd5175b5c5f6087f308f0881b3e1484cbc2e973eab94f62055872cc860 2012 debian-config-override_2.0.tar.xz ff696bb6f2a1fb520d9261672d8dde85dac269ba25b8eb295e9fd46dac7655e7 5215 debian-config-override_2.0_source.buildinfo Files: a4ab7318c8f27bc23ec7ad8c5ed96d6b 1425 misc optional debian-config-override_2.0.dsc c91d7ef018ea1e216a65efddc0466544 2012 misc optional debian-config-override_2.0.tar.xz 5c1417bb5cbd00d026530fb27a8d7581 5215 misc optional debian-config-override_2.0_source.buildinfo -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCgAdFiEEcuPLdzMV36LkZHQ9lFMhJFQZIvsFAmDgYW4ACgkQlFMhJFQZ IvsQhgf/ayix2jFXqMovzUaVhh6+iihpbsCLsR2n3Iv1wT7VkeSmVLLhA4KMfTkO vDijb8iPtah1wHsn1i3zeCMuJ/kJo2pAtlb6kmeXcJzGfVUqU/YLBnrLsxZ6qI5T xM4XbU+iTShDMbZdhOvxorBFjM6VTTr5iKAnExE8MDPUN5bxRmycKDl2xGCDV3KM Ci/sSfsKiZWdR1w6X57I/ByTLqB8iL0LFqTRbKDBgX9ZxBC3TYR9wD+btC7ZmunW +r99XUYAW9wUDURkg0PEHBOFIp8a4y91gfqe02xy4NCIge1QRkY4ti0zQAz4b+Ab r+2IvUYf84fGI9uouns7qRVEDTSoOw== =HCsu -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Gregory Nowak <[email protected]>:[email protected]:Received: (at 496) by bugs.devuan.org; 3 Jul 2021 13:30:02 +0000 Return-Path: <[email protected]> Delivered-To: [email protected] Received: from tupac3.dyne.org [195.169.149.119] by doc.devuan.org with IMAP (fetchmail-6.4.0.beta4) for <debbugs@localhost> (single-drop); Sat, 03 Jul 2021 13:30:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx.hindley.org.uk (193-36-131-86.cfwn.uk [193.36.131.86]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by vm6.ganeti.dyne.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D742FF608CD for <[email protected]>; Sat, 3 Jul 2021 15:23:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from apollo.hindleynet ([192.168.1.3] helo=hindley.org.uk) by mx.hindley.org.uk with smtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <[email protected]>) id 1lzfcf-0007pw-Jf; Sat, 03 Jul 2021 14:23:53 +0100 Received: (nullmailer pid 10354 invoked by uid 1000); Sat, 03 Jul 2021 13:23:53 -0000 Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2021 14:23:53 +0100 From: Mark Hindley <[email protected]> To: Gregory Nowak <[email protected]> Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: bug#496: Has speech-dispatcher been forked? Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> <YKZlPGRzGk11h/[email protected]> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.4 required=5.0 tests=RDNS_DYNAMIC,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on tupac3.dyne.org Greg, On Fri, Jun 18, 2021 at 10:13:41AM +0100, Mark Hindley wrote: > Just a quick note to say I haven't forgotten about this, and am still working > on the best way of hooking it into the installer. I have just built the devuan-speech-dispatcher-config-override package for unstable and also a new version (3.68+devuan1) of the tasksel packages which should pull it in alongside orca. They should migrate to chimaera in 5 days and then be available in the next testing iso build after that. Hopefully, that will address the issues that you have worked so tirelessly to understand. Many thanks for doing so. Best wishes Mark
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Gregory Nowak <[email protected]>:Devuan Developers <[email protected]>.
Full text available.[email protected], Devuan Developers <[email protected]>:bug#496; Package devuan-project.
Full text available.Received: (at 496) by bugs.devuan.org; 4 May 2021 01:30:02 +0000 Return-Path: <[email protected]> Delivered-To: [email protected] Received: from tupac3.dyne.org [195.169.149.119] by doc.devuan.org with IMAP (fetchmail-6.4.0.beta4) for <debbugs@localhost> (single-drop); Tue, 04 May 2021 01:30:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx.hindley.org.uk (193-36-131-86.cfwn.uk [193.36.131.86]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by vm6.ganeti.dyne.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BD9E7F60870 for <[email protected]>; Tue, 4 May 2021 03:18:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mark by mx.hindley.org.uk with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <[email protected]>) id 1ldjhX-0006XX-1V; Tue, 04 May 2021 02:18:15 +0100 Date: Tue, 4 May 2021 02:18:13 +0100 From: Mark Hindley <[email protected]> To: Gregory Nowak <[email protected]>, [email protected] Cc: Arne Wichmann <[email protected]> Subject: Re: bug#496: Has speech-dispatcher been forked? Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <159573846886.13963.13548811663893514592.reportbug@pegasus.gregn.net> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> <159573846886.13963.13548811663893514592.reportbug@pegasus.gregn.net> <[email protected]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> X-Debbugs-No-Ack: No Thanks User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.4 required=5.0 tests=RDNS_DYNAMIC,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on tupac3.dyne.org I am away with very limited internet access. Sorry to be late commenting. On Mon, May 03, 2021 at 04:05:53PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote: > I always was, since a couple of devuan developers suggested this is > the way forward. I've been thinking this through over the weekend. If > the answer to changing pulseaudio configuration is an override package > instead of forking pulseaudio from debian, then it makes sense to > override speech-dispatcher configuration instead of forking it from > debian. So, something like a debian-speech-dispatcher-config-override > package which would make the necessary changes to > /etc/speech-dispatcher/speechd.conf, and which would remove > debian-pulseaudio-config-override if it is already installed. If this > seems acceptable, I would have to read up on how to package for > devuan, and look at how we can integrate this into a freshly installed > system if an accessible install is being done. A comaintainer on this > would still be welcome. Please note that the pulseaudio override is *not* present or required in chimaera: the issue it addresses in buster/beowulf has been resolved in bullseye. When I am back, I will be happy to add a speechd.conf override package. That is precisely the idea behind the config override packages: to solve issues inherited from Debian without the overhead of maintaining forks of entire packages. Mark
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Gregory Nowak <[email protected]>:Devuan Developers <[email protected]>.
Full text available.[email protected], Devuan Developers <[email protected]>:bug#496; Package devuan-project.
Full text available.Received: (at 496) by bugs.devuan.org; 3 May 2021 10:50:04 +0000 Return-Path: <[email protected]> Delivered-To: [email protected] Received: from tupac3.dyne.org [195.169.149.119] by doc.devuan.org with IMAP (fetchmail-6.4.0.beta4) for <debbugs@localhost> (single-drop); Mon, 03 May 2021 10:50:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from old-forest.org (penta.old-forest.org [217.197.86.38]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by vm6.ganeti.dyne.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E87CAF60C56 for <[email protected]>; Mon, 3 May 2021 12:44:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.3.5] (helo=chao) by old-forest.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94) (envelope-from <[email protected]>) id 1ldW4B-0002BF-IO; Mon, 03 May 2021 11:44:43 +0100 Received: from [192.168.10.23] (helo=anhrefn.saar.de) by chao with esmtps (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from <[email protected]>) id 1ldVks-0002Dt-TY; Mon, 03 May 2021 12:24:46 +0200 Received: from aw by anhrefn.saar.de with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from <[email protected]>) id 1ldW0T-0003mL-0v; Mon, 03 May 2021 12:40:53 +0200 Date: Mon, 3 May 2021 12:40:52 +0200 From: Arne Wichmann <[email protected]> To: Gregory Nowak <[email protected]> Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: bug#496: Has speech-dispatcher been forked? Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <159573846886.13963.13548811663893514592.reportbug@pegasus.gregn.net> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Q68bSM7Ycu6FN28Q" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> X-message-flag: Outluck ist kaputt :-) Return-Receipt-To: [email protected] User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on tupac3.dyne.org --Q68bSM7Ycu6FN28Q Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable begin quotation from Gregory Nowak (in <[email protected]>): > On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 10:26:58AM +0200, Arne Wichmann wrote: > > begin quotation from Gregory Nowak (in <[email protected]= et>): > > > 3. Don't fork speech-dispatcher, close this bug, and leave users who > > > do a new install with speech at the text console, but not in the > > > GUI by default until they manually resolve the situation. Last time > > > I checked, the situation in debian was opposite, fresh installs > > > have speech at the GUI, but not at the text console. > > > > > This feels like a good solution to me. As far as I can see text-based > > interfaces are easier for vision-impaired people. But I am no expert on > > this. >=20 > No, not necessarily. There are plenty of people who prefer to arrow and > tab through an interface, rather than typing commands. Category error: "text based interface" is anything you can do with a VT220 (or so), so arrow and tab apply. My point is about text vs graphics, not commandline versus what Mike Gancarz[1] called CUI. > Also, I'm starting to get confused myself, so let me clarify the > situation. If pulseaudio is running as is the case in debian, or if > debian-pulseaudio-config-override is installed in devuan, users will > have speech at the GUI, but not at the text console. If > debian-pulseaudio-config-override isn't installed, and pulseaudio > isn't running in devuan, users will have speech at the text console, > but not at the GUI. >=20 > > I would further propose to open a bug at the installer to address the p= oint > > you just made. >=20 > I'm not sure I follow. Yes, we can modify the installer so that if an > accessible install is chosen by typing s at the boot prompt, the > debian-pulseaudio-config-override package will not be installed when > installing a desktop environment. However, this would still require > forking speech-dispatcher to give users speech at the text and GUI > consoles out of the box after a fresh install. So it seems you are back at forking, aren't you? cu AW [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_philosophy#Mike_Gancarz:_The_UNIX_Ph= ilosophy --=20 [...] If you don't want to be restricted, don't agree to it. If you are coerced, comply as much as you must to protect yourself, just don't support it. Noone can free you but yourself. 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Arne Wichmann <[email protected]>:Devuan Developers <[email protected]>.
Full text available.[email protected], Devuan Developers <[email protected]>:bug#496; Package devuan-project.
Full text available.Received: (at 496) by bugs.devuan.org; 29 Apr 2021 01:00:01 +0000 Return-Path: <[email protected]> Delivered-To: [email protected] Received: from tupac3.dyne.org [195.169.149.119] by doc.devuan.org with IMAP (fetchmail-6.4.0.beta4) for <debbugs@localhost> (single-drop); Thu, 29 Apr 2021 01:00:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vserver.gregn.net (vserver.gregn.net [174.136.110.154]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by vm6.ganeti.dyne.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 62149F60877 for <[email protected]>; Thu, 29 Apr 2021 02:55:58 +0200 (CEST) Authentication-Results: vm6.ganeti.dyne.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gregn.net [email protected] header.b="f00Bn/m2"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: from vbox.gregn.net (unknown [IPv6:2607:fb90:722b:8ced:3454:5512:ab43:8d03]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by vserver.gregn.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4DF2D70C; Wed, 28 Apr 2021 17:56:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=gregn.net; s=default; t=1619657763; bh=whacHDR0yqCmPPlWzeiSPg8YiraLgaSxmCePZGKiTGQ=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=f00Bn/m2eZm0QJiU/hZ+R/a78E58EXjLJ0yhhll23hCrwxsNQJ/S7UZXic0Nx2GHj /lucUvPapkFSjgd3i9qc+RKcDoVRlfo96YkSkWc9cj6ONvj6I8bsHQ6MG+qjVloQJA uiWFV/XSXXrwsNzhV8hQEn4lwSo+OVXMEGF5vjVcALb7cTwvdDg7WLsUCd/BLi7uvf Kx9aeeLqxVzlgwyQY8XjBBXdzIrLwQNm9M3vGRx40PvH2SCBkZ12BAp77Ye6RfCqmF 6aT6s8sXkhzzvbRdoxE1Grp4E12aZCfHmFOvRw8Vj5W5axRUle4BJ++qdyJWiFRBPJ gMXReqNir8zLg== Received: from greg by vbox.gregn.net with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <[email protected]>) id 1lbuy8-00017l-Ch; Wed, 28 Apr 2021 17:55:52 -0700 Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 17:55:52 -0700 From: Gregory Nowak <[email protected]> To: Arne Wichmann <[email protected]> Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: bug#496: Has speech-dispatcher been forked? Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <159573846886.13963.13548811663893514592.reportbug@pegasus.gregn.net> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> X-PGP-Key: http://www.gregn.net/pubkey.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.102.4 at vserver X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on tupac3.dyne.org Hello. On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 10:26:58AM +0200, Arne Wichmann wrote: > begin quotation from Gregory Nowak (in <[email protected]>): > > 3. Don't fork speech-dispatcher, close this bug, and leave users who > > do a new install with speech at the text console, but not in the > > GUI by default until they manually resolve the situation. Last time > > I checked, the situation in debian was opposite, fresh installs > > have speech at the GUI, but not at the text console. > > > This feels like a good solution to me. As far as I can see text-based > interfaces are easier for vision-impaired people. But I am no expert on > this. No, not necessarily. There are plenty of people who prefer to arrow and tab through an interface, rather than typing commands. Also, I'm starting to get confused myself, so let me clarify the situation. If pulseaudio is running as is the case in debian, or if debian-pulseaudio-config-override is installed in devuan, users will have speech at the GUI, but not at the text console. If debian-pulseaudio-config-override isn't installed, and pulseaudio isn't running in devuan, users will have speech at the text console, but not at the GUI. > I would further propose to open a bug at the installer to address the point > you just made. I'm not sure I follow. Yes, we can modify the installer so that if an accessible install is chosen by typing s at the boot prompt, the debian-pulseaudio-config-override package will not be installed when installing a desktop environment. However, this would still require forking speech-dispatcher to give users speech at the text and GUI consoles out of the box after a fresh install. Greg -- web site: http://www.gregn.net gpg public key: http://www.gregn.net/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) If we haven't been in touch before, e-mail me before adding me to your contacts. -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail [email protected]
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Full text available.[email protected], Devuan Developers <[email protected]>:bug#496; Package devuan-project.
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Arne Wichmann <[email protected]>:Devuan Developers <[email protected]>.
Full text available.[email protected], Devuan Developers <[email protected]>:bug#496; Package devuan-project.
Full text available.Received: (at 496) by bugs.devuan.org; 27 Apr 2021 02:20:03 +0000 Return-Path: <[email protected]> Delivered-To: [email protected] Received: from tupac3.dyne.org [195.169.149.119] by doc.devuan.org with IMAP (fetchmail-6.4.0.beta4) for <debbugs@localhost> (single-drop); Tue, 27 Apr 2021 02:20:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vserver.gregn.net (vserver.gregn.net [174.136.110.154]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by vm6.ganeti.dyne.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 276D6F60A40 for <[email protected]>; Tue, 27 Apr 2021 04:12:29 +0200 (CEST) Authentication-Results: vm6.ganeti.dyne.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gregn.net [email protected] header.b="v8g33Bq5"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: from vbox.gregn.net (unknown [IPv6:2607:fb90:e513:eba0:1d51:526a:f2f2:965b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by vserver.gregn.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9B841808; Mon, 26 Apr 2021 19:12:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=gregn.net; s=default; t=1619489553; bh=gngir5M4bqjC3E6xQmLq9OVVI0tgmrFXJzg1MGfNMso=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=v8g33Bq5/7Q0y8Ls680LfG9Ww+paJpso45uJV+kom9UPpyqTHmvEiCPZfh+D+j/Pa IYd2rOmxxbNk1ARAliwv5Xho39wp3xloLnrbwF810d4fML1wopvoeux5Z/pTUmLWeh X8X0SXe9B47r1jd5X56h1vuqXeF5D2/lLTIvHdD7XnvXpAk1eNRa00awK2WHRNuVb+ V5SWz8407dkWJ7EEcbZjdhnB+NM1FkdSwxCwNdJaz4qtjCeWqIkoFrI+tCC6WZvJDe d7d29E7WCK+n9eu18oqS2JhCFLO05eiRfqhvB7hpygnpCW0LTUPAWFS7ML593SYTKk ImQN2QxF9KMww== Received: from greg by vbox.gregn.net with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <[email protected]>) id 1lbDD9-00029k-EM; Mon, 26 Apr 2021 19:12:27 -0700 Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 19:12:27 -0700 From: Gregory Nowak <[email protected]> To: Arne Wichmann <[email protected]>, [email protected] Subject: Re: bug#496: Has speech-dispatcher been forked? Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <159573846886.13963.13548811663893514592.reportbug@pegasus.gregn.net> <[email protected]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> X-PGP-Key: http://www.gregn.net/pubkey.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.102.4 at vserver X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on tupac3.dyne.org -- web site: http://www.gregn.net gpg public key: http://www.gregn.net/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) If we haven't been in touch before, e-mail me before adding me to your contacts. -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail [email protected] My apologies. Solution 3 should simply say: 3. Don't fork speech-dispatcher, close this bug, and leave users who do a new install with speech at the text console, but not in the GUI by default until they manually resolve the situation. Last time I checked, the situation in debian was opposite, fresh installs have speech at the GUI, but not at the text console. Also I apologize for the amount of mails my previous reply seems to have generated. I've edited the addresses this reply will go to. Greg
Gregory Nowak <[email protected]>:Devuan Developers <[email protected]>.
Full text available.[email protected], Devuan Developers <[email protected]>:bug#496; Package devuan-project.
Full text available.Received: (at 496-submitter) by bugs.devuan.org; 27 Apr 2021 01:20:03 +0000 Return-Path: <[email protected]> Delivered-To: [email protected] Received: from tupac3.dyne.org [195.169.149.119] by doc.devuan.org with IMAP (fetchmail-6.4.0.beta4) for <debbugs@localhost> (single-drop); Tue, 27 Apr 2021 01:20:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vserver.gregn.net (vserver.gregn.net [174.136.110.154]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by vm6.ganeti.dyne.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1BD34F60B62; Tue, 27 Apr 2021 03:08:06 +0200 (CEST) Authentication-Results: vm6.ganeti.dyne.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gregn.net [email protected] header.b="ZATUdzLc"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: from vbox.gregn.net (unknown [IPv6:2607:fb90:e513:eba0:1d51:526a:f2f2:965b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by vserver.gregn.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AD21CD3E; Mon, 26 Apr 2021 18:08:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=gregn.net; s=default; t=1619485687; bh=aqL+lZ6awcErIxEn8sIOe1TeGrO5l4Tr7Rae1B1WPdU=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=ZATUdzLcw/Kn0KDRyy5NM9yG/RMP3R26xhiyR+LuSTMy3OGgGh+ZKrQ3wZrd8Kgb/ ADLi1ktmDpGgV7l/ZDhzz24UfYrmAGcAAqMql6Ys65WFlItUmTreq0grKmN9tqOhMZ ZuHIpK7AcbuD6dDJWzy0JSQOnFdyg1Mc/ggpg7d/K+nb+WU9iQjeBsXNlAbGHSlwBi 9+cSX2b4cQc0r+Aew5deeAKeeyIj7flmhOwjVv1sUAmbdw1mYujDPJbK9ZCS0ygHhe tg/A3VGbHjAxqM9LV2IpRYsoF64E1E1x3vPRosHpj+HmiWsTGLnRuna7sS+0ix8gc9 V9f/G+wzqgOJA== Received: from greg by vbox.gregn.net with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <[email protected]>) id 1lbCCm-0001cr-03; Mon, 26 Apr 2021 18:08:00 -0700 Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 18:07:59 -0700 From: Gregory Nowak <[email protected]> To: Arne Wichmann <[email protected]>, [email protected] Cc: [email protected], [email protected] Subject: Re: bug#496: Has speech-dispatcher been forked? Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <159573846886.13963.13548811663893514592.reportbug@pegasus.gregn.net> <[email protected]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> X-PGP-Key: http://www.gregn.net/pubkey.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.102.4 at vserver X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on tupac3.dyne.org No, speech-dispatcher hasn't been forked as far as I know; I certainly haven't done it yet. The inclusion of the debian-pulseaudio-config-override package in Beowulf and beyond raises a problem. Forking speech-dispatcher relies on pulseaudio being disabled by default. Uninstalling pulseaudio isn't possible in every case, since at least xfce, and perhaps other desktops seem to have a hard dependency on it. If speech-dispatcher was forked with the changes I proposed, and pulseaudio was enabled as the debian-pulseaudio-config-override package does, users would have no speech in the GUI or the text console, making the problem worse. The possible solutions I can think of are: 1. Don't install debian-pulseaudio-config-override by default, and fork speech-dispatcher with the changes I proposed. 2. Remove the hard dependency on pulseaudio from xfce and other desktops, and fork speech-dispatcher with the changes I proposed. 3. Don't fork speech-dispatcher, close this bug, and leave users who do a new install with speech at the text console, but not in the GUI by default until they manually resolve the situation, as is the case in debian right now. Greg
Gregory Nowak <[email protected]>:Received: (at 496-submitter) by bugs.devuan.org; 27 Apr 2021 01:20:03 +0000 Return-Path: <[email protected]> Delivered-To: [email protected] Received: from tupac3.dyne.org [195.169.149.119] by doc.devuan.org with IMAP (fetchmail-6.4.0.beta4) for <debbugs@localhost> (single-drop); Tue, 27 Apr 2021 01:20:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vserver.gregn.net (vserver.gregn.net [174.136.110.154]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by vm6.ganeti.dyne.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1BD34F60B62; Tue, 27 Apr 2021 03:08:06 +0200 (CEST) Authentication-Results: vm6.ganeti.dyne.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gregn.net [email protected] header.b="ZATUdzLc"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: from vbox.gregn.net (unknown [IPv6:2607:fb90:e513:eba0:1d51:526a:f2f2:965b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by vserver.gregn.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AD21CD3E; Mon, 26 Apr 2021 18:08:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=gregn.net; s=default; t=1619485687; bh=aqL+lZ6awcErIxEn8sIOe1TeGrO5l4Tr7Rae1B1WPdU=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=ZATUdzLcw/Kn0KDRyy5NM9yG/RMP3R26xhiyR+LuSTMy3OGgGh+ZKrQ3wZrd8Kgb/ ADLi1ktmDpGgV7l/ZDhzz24UfYrmAGcAAqMql6Ys65WFlItUmTreq0grKmN9tqOhMZ ZuHIpK7AcbuD6dDJWzy0JSQOnFdyg1Mc/ggpg7d/K+nb+WU9iQjeBsXNlAbGHSlwBi 9+cSX2b4cQc0r+Aew5deeAKeeyIj7flmhOwjVv1sUAmbdw1mYujDPJbK9ZCS0ygHhe tg/A3VGbHjAxqM9LV2IpRYsoF64E1E1x3vPRosHpj+HmiWsTGLnRuna7sS+0ix8gc9 V9f/G+wzqgOJA== Received: from greg by vbox.gregn.net with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <[email protected]>) id 1lbCCm-0001cr-03; Mon, 26 Apr 2021 18:08:00 -0700 Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 18:07:59 -0700 From: Gregory Nowak <[email protected]> To: Arne Wichmann <[email protected]>, [email protected] Cc: [email protected], [email protected] Subject: Re: bug#496: Has speech-dispatcher been forked? Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <159573846886.13963.13548811663893514592.reportbug@pegasus.gregn.net> <[email protected]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> X-PGP-Key: http://www.gregn.net/pubkey.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.102.4 at vserver X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on tupac3.dyne.org No, speech-dispatcher hasn't been forked as far as I know; I certainly haven't done it yet. The inclusion of the debian-pulseaudio-config-override package in Beowulf and beyond raises a problem. Forking speech-dispatcher relies on pulseaudio being disabled by default. Uninstalling pulseaudio isn't possible in every case, since at least xfce, and perhaps other desktops seem to have a hard dependency on it. If speech-dispatcher was forked with the changes I proposed, and pulseaudio was enabled as the debian-pulseaudio-config-override package does, users would have no speech in the GUI or the text console, making the problem worse. The possible solutions I can think of are: 1. Don't install debian-pulseaudio-config-override by default, and fork speech-dispatcher with the changes I proposed. 2. Remove the hard dependency on pulseaudio from xfce and other desktops, and fork speech-dispatcher with the changes I proposed. 3. Don't fork speech-dispatcher, close this bug, and leave users who do a new install with speech at the text console, but not in the GUI by default until they manually resolve the situation, as is the case in debian right now. Greg
Gregory Nowak <[email protected]>:Received: (at 496-submitter) by bugs.devuan.org; 27 Apr 2021 01:20:03 +0000 Return-Path: <[email protected]> Delivered-To: [email protected] Received: from tupac3.dyne.org [195.169.149.119] by doc.devuan.org with IMAP (fetchmail-6.4.0.beta4) for <debbugs@localhost> (single-drop); Tue, 27 Apr 2021 01:20:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vserver.gregn.net (vserver.gregn.net [174.136.110.154]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by vm6.ganeti.dyne.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1BD34F60B62; Tue, 27 Apr 2021 03:08:06 +0200 (CEST) Authentication-Results: vm6.ganeti.dyne.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gregn.net [email protected] header.b="ZATUdzLc"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: from vbox.gregn.net (unknown [IPv6:2607:fb90:e513:eba0:1d51:526a:f2f2:965b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by vserver.gregn.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AD21CD3E; Mon, 26 Apr 2021 18:08:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=gregn.net; s=default; t=1619485687; bh=aqL+lZ6awcErIxEn8sIOe1TeGrO5l4Tr7Rae1B1WPdU=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=ZATUdzLcw/Kn0KDRyy5NM9yG/RMP3R26xhiyR+LuSTMy3OGgGh+ZKrQ3wZrd8Kgb/ ADLi1ktmDpGgV7l/ZDhzz24UfYrmAGcAAqMql6Ys65WFlItUmTreq0grKmN9tqOhMZ ZuHIpK7AcbuD6dDJWzy0JSQOnFdyg1Mc/ggpg7d/K+nb+WU9iQjeBsXNlAbGHSlwBi 9+cSX2b4cQc0r+Aew5deeAKeeyIj7flmhOwjVv1sUAmbdw1mYujDPJbK9ZCS0ygHhe tg/A3VGbHjAxqM9LV2IpRYsoF64E1E1x3vPRosHpj+HmiWsTGLnRuna7sS+0ix8gc9 V9f/G+wzqgOJA== Received: from greg by vbox.gregn.net with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <[email protected]>) id 1lbCCm-0001cr-03; Mon, 26 Apr 2021 18:08:00 -0700 Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 18:07:59 -0700 From: Gregory Nowak <[email protected]> To: Arne Wichmann <[email protected]>, [email protected] Cc: [email protected], [email protected] Subject: Re: bug#496: Has speech-dispatcher been forked? Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <159573846886.13963.13548811663893514592.reportbug@pegasus.gregn.net> <[email protected]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> X-PGP-Key: http://www.gregn.net/pubkey.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.102.4 at vserver X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on tupac3.dyne.org No, speech-dispatcher hasn't been forked as far as I know; I certainly haven't done it yet. The inclusion of the debian-pulseaudio-config-override package in Beowulf and beyond raises a problem. Forking speech-dispatcher relies on pulseaudio being disabled by default. Uninstalling pulseaudio isn't possible in every case, since at least xfce, and perhaps other desktops seem to have a hard dependency on it. If speech-dispatcher was forked with the changes I proposed, and pulseaudio was enabled as the debian-pulseaudio-config-override package does, users would have no speech in the GUI or the text console, making the problem worse. The possible solutions I can think of are: 1. Don't install debian-pulseaudio-config-override by default, and fork speech-dispatcher with the changes I proposed. 2. Remove the hard dependency on pulseaudio from xfce and other desktops, and fork speech-dispatcher with the changes I proposed. 3. Don't fork speech-dispatcher, close this bug, and leave users who do a new install with speech at the text console, but not in the GUI by default until they manually resolve the situation, as is the case in debian right now. Greg
Gregory Nowak <[email protected]>:Received: (at 496-quiet) by bugs.devuan.org; 27 Apr 2021 01:20:03 +0000 Return-Path: <[email protected]> Delivered-To: [email protected] Received: from tupac3.dyne.org [195.169.149.119] by doc.devuan.org with IMAP (fetchmail-6.4.0.beta4) for <debbugs@localhost> (single-drop); Tue, 27 Apr 2021 01:20:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vserver.gregn.net (vserver.gregn.net [174.136.110.154]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by vm6.ganeti.dyne.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1BD34F60B62; Tue, 27 Apr 2021 03:08:06 +0200 (CEST) Authentication-Results: vm6.ganeti.dyne.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gregn.net [email protected] header.b="ZATUdzLc"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: from vbox.gregn.net (unknown [IPv6:2607:fb90:e513:eba0:1d51:526a:f2f2:965b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by vserver.gregn.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AD21CD3E; Mon, 26 Apr 2021 18:08:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=gregn.net; s=default; t=1619485687; bh=aqL+lZ6awcErIxEn8sIOe1TeGrO5l4Tr7Rae1B1WPdU=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=ZATUdzLcw/Kn0KDRyy5NM9yG/RMP3R26xhiyR+LuSTMy3OGgGh+ZKrQ3wZrd8Kgb/ ADLi1ktmDpGgV7l/ZDhzz24UfYrmAGcAAqMql6Ys65WFlItUmTreq0grKmN9tqOhMZ ZuHIpK7AcbuD6dDJWzy0JSQOnFdyg1Mc/ggpg7d/K+nb+WU9iQjeBsXNlAbGHSlwBi 9+cSX2b4cQc0r+Aew5deeAKeeyIj7flmhOwjVv1sUAmbdw1mYujDPJbK9ZCS0ygHhe tg/A3VGbHjAxqM9LV2IpRYsoF64E1E1x3vPRosHpj+HmiWsTGLnRuna7sS+0ix8gc9 V9f/G+wzqgOJA== Received: from greg by vbox.gregn.net with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <[email protected]>) id 1lbCCm-0001cr-03; Mon, 26 Apr 2021 18:08:00 -0700 Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 18:07:59 -0700 From: Gregory Nowak <[email protected]> To: Arne Wichmann <[email protected]>, [email protected] Cc: [email protected], [email protected] Subject: Re: bug#496: Has speech-dispatcher been forked? Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <159573846886.13963.13548811663893514592.reportbug@pegasus.gregn.net> <[email protected]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> X-PGP-Key: http://www.gregn.net/pubkey.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.102.4 at vserver X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on tupac3.dyne.org No, speech-dispatcher hasn't been forked as far as I know; I certainly haven't done it yet. The inclusion of the debian-pulseaudio-config-override package in Beowulf and beyond raises a problem. Forking speech-dispatcher relies on pulseaudio being disabled by default. Uninstalling pulseaudio isn't possible in every case, since at least xfce, and perhaps other desktops seem to have a hard dependency on it. If speech-dispatcher was forked with the changes I proposed, and pulseaudio was enabled as the debian-pulseaudio-config-override package does, users would have no speech in the GUI or the text console, making the problem worse. The possible solutions I can think of are: 1. Don't install debian-pulseaudio-config-override by default, and fork speech-dispatcher with the changes I proposed. 2. Remove the hard dependency on pulseaudio from xfce and other desktops, and fork speech-dispatcher with the changes I proposed. 3. Don't fork speech-dispatcher, close this bug, and leave users who do a new install with speech at the text console, but not in the GUI by default until they manually resolve the situation, as is the case in debian right now. Greg
Gregory Nowak <[email protected]>:bug#496; Package devuan-project.
Full text available.Received: (at 496-quiet) by bugs.devuan.org; 27 Apr 2021 01:20:03 +0000 Return-Path: <[email protected]> Delivered-To: [email protected] Received: from tupac3.dyne.org [195.169.149.119] by doc.devuan.org with IMAP (fetchmail-6.4.0.beta4) for <debbugs@localhost> (single-drop); Tue, 27 Apr 2021 01:20:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vserver.gregn.net (vserver.gregn.net [174.136.110.154]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by vm6.ganeti.dyne.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1BD34F60B62; Tue, 27 Apr 2021 03:08:06 +0200 (CEST) Authentication-Results: vm6.ganeti.dyne.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gregn.net [email protected] header.b="ZATUdzLc"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: from vbox.gregn.net (unknown [IPv6:2607:fb90:e513:eba0:1d51:526a:f2f2:965b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by vserver.gregn.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AD21CD3E; Mon, 26 Apr 2021 18:08:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=gregn.net; s=default; t=1619485687; bh=aqL+lZ6awcErIxEn8sIOe1TeGrO5l4Tr7Rae1B1WPdU=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=ZATUdzLcw/Kn0KDRyy5NM9yG/RMP3R26xhiyR+LuSTMy3OGgGh+ZKrQ3wZrd8Kgb/ ADLi1ktmDpGgV7l/ZDhzz24UfYrmAGcAAqMql6Ys65WFlItUmTreq0grKmN9tqOhMZ ZuHIpK7AcbuD6dDJWzy0JSQOnFdyg1Mc/ggpg7d/K+nb+WU9iQjeBsXNlAbGHSlwBi 9+cSX2b4cQc0r+Aew5deeAKeeyIj7flmhOwjVv1sUAmbdw1mYujDPJbK9ZCS0ygHhe tg/A3VGbHjAxqM9LV2IpRYsoF64E1E1x3vPRosHpj+HmiWsTGLnRuna7sS+0ix8gc9 V9f/G+wzqgOJA== Received: from greg by vbox.gregn.net with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <[email protected]>) id 1lbCCm-0001cr-03; Mon, 26 Apr 2021 18:08:00 -0700 Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 18:07:59 -0700 From: Gregory Nowak <[email protected]> To: Arne Wichmann <[email protected]>, [email protected] Cc: [email protected], [email protected] Subject: Re: bug#496: Has speech-dispatcher been forked? Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <159573846886.13963.13548811663893514592.reportbug@pegasus.gregn.net> <[email protected]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> X-PGP-Key: http://www.gregn.net/pubkey.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.102.4 at vserver X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on tupac3.dyne.org No, speech-dispatcher hasn't been forked as far as I know; I certainly haven't done it yet. The inclusion of the debian-pulseaudio-config-override package in Beowulf and beyond raises a problem. Forking speech-dispatcher relies on pulseaudio being disabled by default. Uninstalling pulseaudio isn't possible in every case, since at least xfce, and perhaps other desktops seem to have a hard dependency on it. If speech-dispatcher was forked with the changes I proposed, and pulseaudio was enabled as the debian-pulseaudio-config-override package does, users would have no speech in the GUI or the text console, making the problem worse. The possible solutions I can think of are: 1. Don't install debian-pulseaudio-config-override by default, and fork speech-dispatcher with the changes I proposed. 2. Remove the hard dependency on pulseaudio from xfce and other desktops, and fork speech-dispatcher with the changes I proposed. 3. Don't fork speech-dispatcher, close this bug, and leave users who do a new install with speech at the text console, but not in the GUI by default until they manually resolve the situation, as is the case in debian right now. Greg
Gregory Nowak <[email protected]>:bug#496; Package devuan-project.
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Gregory Nowak <[email protected]>:bug#496; Package devuan-project.
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Gregory Nowak <[email protected]>:Devuan Developers <[email protected]>.
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Gregory Nowak <[email protected]>:Devuan Developers <[email protected]>.
Full text available.[email protected], Devuan Developers <[email protected]>:bug#496; Package devuan-project.
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Gregory Nowak <[email protected]>:Devuan Developers <[email protected]>.
Full text available.[email protected], Devuan Developers <[email protected]>:bug#496; Package devuan-project.
Full text available.Received: (at 496-submitter) by bugs.devuan.org; 26 Apr 2021 11:50:03 +0000 Return-Path: <[email protected]> Delivered-To: [email protected] Received: from tupac3.dyne.org [195.169.149.119] by doc.devuan.org with IMAP (fetchmail-6.4.0.beta4) for <debbugs@localhost> (single-drop); Mon, 26 Apr 2021 11:50:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from old-forest.org (penta.old-forest.org [217.197.86.38]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by vm6.ganeti.dyne.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EFEECF60917; Mon, 26 Apr 2021 13:41:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.3.5] (helo=chao) by old-forest.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94) (envelope-from <[email protected]>) id 1lazc9-0006lS-Aq; Mon, 26 Apr 2021 12:41:21 +0100 Received: from [192.168.10.23] (helo=anhrefn.saar.de) by chao with esmtps (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from <[email protected]>) id 1lazJ4-0005Sh-Q2; Mon, 26 Apr 2021 13:21:38 +0200 Received: from aw by anhrefn.saar.de with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from <[email protected]>) id 1lazYc-0002BK-2T; Mon, 26 Apr 2021 13:37:42 +0200 Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 13:37:42 +0200 From: Arne Wichmann <[email protected]> To: [email protected], [email protected] Subject: Has speech-dispatcher been forked? Message-ID: <[email protected]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Nq2Wo0NMKNjxTN9z" Content-Disposition: inline X-message-flag: Outluck ist kaputt :-) Return-Receipt-To: [email protected] User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on tupac3.dyne.org --Nq2Wo0NMKNjxTN9z Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The reasoning in the bug looked quite sound - what is the state of the package? Shall we close the bug as being done or downgrade it to wishlist? cu AW --=20 [...] If you don't want to be restricted, don't agree to it. If you are coerced, comply as much as you must to protect yourself, just don't support it. Noone can free you but yourself. (crag, on Debian Planet) Arne Wichmann ([email protected]) --Nq2Wo0NMKNjxTN9z Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCAAdFiEEtFUkbndwdIn81UX3EIremXYA/4kFAmCGpgUACgkQEIremXYA /4lVABAApu56gZT2eh2tCn5iQuaZ/y5BhLyRZ2erGoGrm4doIdvCDe+onqzAjHR4 SM0Bdn8qUZrfl019JADCa7eGfbEb8EOrTop3Fg+ckyKo+glMKY4ARSsmFk9DOVfB 1YSanMJCCbprTxahT8o3smLQ+b+95X1UKCn6JqcCe0Ruiy/8E6KXTxDwj1PK7sb1 m4WKZwLjPTxV+V+dlEoLdoz2mhyBoOQdApW4SJPjjVgPNdVOePvjFYRqAYoHwHPf Di+iDNviZVnQyOqXpztRoXebsTVU8Hh3UJ+B8oSPt8zycwMrynrOzndv+b9LVWze 3wGmryUL8JPoNvB6PJtqFGdG8rrzt+nWo8PQjbnk0jFgH2XiDSLraGpIEajdlJX9 bvTPoQdcFiXOLDjga+c/axT4wLSK2D4Ag3m0KaHMXjL/410+QOmKwCoJiA+KQwP/ rEvj1EtjwqMX3Z63KTmD+wD8MOI89vQIaz3Rhx6VR3/fulTl0xOkrlXiIdU/ty3w QypLO6158VxUn/ZNmtQQat7NgHczq0Uv7JD68z07+TlCXPh9mbKKXA81bl3XEW0A 97PKjDnhtmmIRc92/5OX2KSb9Cijy2/58uGWRVO4cFoeqVSnH1Y4nOcd/7AD60uX 6xcTDaoVL1PiLQGTwh75BuDVxQB9Z7o62Fsi1V1bzkXpVpqY2fw= =zs5d -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Nq2Wo0NMKNjxTN9z--
Gregory Nowak <[email protected]>:Received: (at 496-submitter) by bugs.devuan.org; 26 Apr 2021 11:50:03 +0000 Return-Path: <[email protected]> Delivered-To: [email protected] Received: from tupac3.dyne.org [195.169.149.119] by doc.devuan.org with IMAP (fetchmail-6.4.0.beta4) for <debbugs@localhost> (single-drop); Mon, 26 Apr 2021 11:50:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from old-forest.org (penta.old-forest.org [217.197.86.38]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by vm6.ganeti.dyne.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EFEECF60917; Mon, 26 Apr 2021 13:41:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.3.5] (helo=chao) by old-forest.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94) (envelope-from <[email protected]>) id 1lazc9-0006lS-Aq; Mon, 26 Apr 2021 12:41:21 +0100 Received: from [192.168.10.23] (helo=anhrefn.saar.de) by chao with esmtps (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from <[email protected]>) id 1lazJ4-0005Sh-Q2; Mon, 26 Apr 2021 13:21:38 +0200 Received: from aw by anhrefn.saar.de with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from <[email protected]>) id 1lazYc-0002BK-2T; Mon, 26 Apr 2021 13:37:42 +0200 Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 13:37:42 +0200 From: Arne Wichmann <[email protected]> To: [email protected], [email protected] Subject: Has speech-dispatcher been forked? Message-ID: <[email protected]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Nq2Wo0NMKNjxTN9z" Content-Disposition: inline X-message-flag: Outluck ist kaputt :-) Return-Receipt-To: [email protected] User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on tupac3.dyne.org --Nq2Wo0NMKNjxTN9z Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The reasoning in the bug looked quite sound - what is the state of the package? Shall we close the bug as being done or downgrade it to wishlist? cu AW --=20 [...] If you don't want to be restricted, don't agree to it. If you are coerced, comply as much as you must to protect yourself, just don't support it. Noone can free you but yourself. (crag, on Debian Planet) Arne Wichmann ([email protected]) --Nq2Wo0NMKNjxTN9z Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCAAdFiEEtFUkbndwdIn81UX3EIremXYA/4kFAmCGpgUACgkQEIremXYA /4lVABAApu56gZT2eh2tCn5iQuaZ/y5BhLyRZ2erGoGrm4doIdvCDe+onqzAjHR4 SM0Bdn8qUZrfl019JADCa7eGfbEb8EOrTop3Fg+ckyKo+glMKY4ARSsmFk9DOVfB 1YSanMJCCbprTxahT8o3smLQ+b+95X1UKCn6JqcCe0Ruiy/8E6KXTxDwj1PK7sb1 m4WKZwLjPTxV+V+dlEoLdoz2mhyBoOQdApW4SJPjjVgPNdVOePvjFYRqAYoHwHPf Di+iDNviZVnQyOqXpztRoXebsTVU8Hh3UJ+B8oSPt8zycwMrynrOzndv+b9LVWze 3wGmryUL8JPoNvB6PJtqFGdG8rrzt+nWo8PQjbnk0jFgH2XiDSLraGpIEajdlJX9 bvTPoQdcFiXOLDjga+c/axT4wLSK2D4Ag3m0KaHMXjL/410+QOmKwCoJiA+KQwP/ rEvj1EtjwqMX3Z63KTmD+wD8MOI89vQIaz3Rhx6VR3/fulTl0xOkrlXiIdU/ty3w QypLO6158VxUn/ZNmtQQat7NgHczq0Uv7JD68z07+TlCXPh9mbKKXA81bl3XEW0A 97PKjDnhtmmIRc92/5OX2KSb9Cijy2/58uGWRVO4cFoeqVSnH1Y4nOcd/7AD60uX 6xcTDaoVL1PiLQGTwh75BuDVxQB9Z7o62Fsi1V1bzkXpVpqY2fw= =zs5d -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Nq2Wo0NMKNjxTN9z--
Gregory Nowak <[email protected]>:Received: (at 496) by bugs.devuan.org; 26 Apr 2021 11:50:03 +0000 Return-Path: <[email protected]> Delivered-To: [email protected] Received: from tupac3.dyne.org [195.169.149.119] by doc.devuan.org with IMAP (fetchmail-6.4.0.beta4) for <debbugs@localhost> (single-drop); Mon, 26 Apr 2021 11:50:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from old-forest.org (penta.old-forest.org [217.197.86.38]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by vm6.ganeti.dyne.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EFEECF60917; Mon, 26 Apr 2021 13:41:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.3.5] (helo=chao) by old-forest.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94) (envelope-from <[email protected]>) id 1lazc9-0006lS-Aq; Mon, 26 Apr 2021 12:41:21 +0100 Received: from [192.168.10.23] (helo=anhrefn.saar.de) by chao with esmtps (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from <[email protected]>) id 1lazJ4-0005Sh-Q2; Mon, 26 Apr 2021 13:21:38 +0200 Received: from aw by anhrefn.saar.de with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from <[email protected]>) id 1lazYc-0002BK-2T; Mon, 26 Apr 2021 13:37:42 +0200 Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 13:37:42 +0200 From: Arne Wichmann <[email protected]> To: [email protected], [email protected] Subject: Has speech-dispatcher been forked? Message-ID: <[email protected]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Nq2Wo0NMKNjxTN9z" Content-Disposition: inline X-message-flag: Outluck ist kaputt :-) Return-Receipt-To: [email protected] User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on tupac3.dyne.org --Nq2Wo0NMKNjxTN9z Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The reasoning in the bug looked quite sound - what is the state of the package? Shall we close the bug as being done or downgrade it to wishlist? cu AW --=20 [...] If you don't want to be restricted, don't agree to it. If you are coerced, comply as much as you must to protect yourself, just don't support it. Noone can free you but yourself. (crag, on Debian Planet) Arne Wichmann ([email protected]) --Nq2Wo0NMKNjxTN9z Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCAAdFiEEtFUkbndwdIn81UX3EIremXYA/4kFAmCGpgUACgkQEIremXYA /4lVABAApu56gZT2eh2tCn5iQuaZ/y5BhLyRZ2erGoGrm4doIdvCDe+onqzAjHR4 SM0Bdn8qUZrfl019JADCa7eGfbEb8EOrTop3Fg+ckyKo+glMKY4ARSsmFk9DOVfB 1YSanMJCCbprTxahT8o3smLQ+b+95X1UKCn6JqcCe0Ruiy/8E6KXTxDwj1PK7sb1 m4WKZwLjPTxV+V+dlEoLdoz2mhyBoOQdApW4SJPjjVgPNdVOePvjFYRqAYoHwHPf Di+iDNviZVnQyOqXpztRoXebsTVU8Hh3UJ+B8oSPt8zycwMrynrOzndv+b9LVWze 3wGmryUL8JPoNvB6PJtqFGdG8rrzt+nWo8PQjbnk0jFgH2XiDSLraGpIEajdlJX9 bvTPoQdcFiXOLDjga+c/axT4wLSK2D4Ag3m0KaHMXjL/410+QOmKwCoJiA+KQwP/ rEvj1EtjwqMX3Z63KTmD+wD8MOI89vQIaz3Rhx6VR3/fulTl0xOkrlXiIdU/ty3w QypLO6158VxUn/ZNmtQQat7NgHczq0Uv7JD68z07+TlCXPh9mbKKXA81bl3XEW0A 97PKjDnhtmmIRc92/5OX2KSb9Cijy2/58uGWRVO4cFoeqVSnH1Y4nOcd/7AD60uX 6xcTDaoVL1PiLQGTwh75BuDVxQB9Z7o62Fsi1V1bzkXpVpqY2fw= =zs5d -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Nq2Wo0NMKNjxTN9z--
Arne Wichmann <[email protected]>:Devuan Developers <[email protected]>.
Full text available.[email protected], Devuan Developers <[email protected]>:bug#496; Package devuan-project.
Full text available.Received: (at 496) by bugs.devuan.org; 26 Apr 2021 11:50:03 +0000 Return-Path: <[email protected]> Delivered-To: [email protected] Received: from tupac3.dyne.org [195.169.149.119] by doc.devuan.org with IMAP (fetchmail-6.4.0.beta4) for <debbugs@localhost> (single-drop); Mon, 26 Apr 2021 11:50:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from old-forest.org (penta.old-forest.org [217.197.86.38]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by vm6.ganeti.dyne.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EFEECF60917; Mon, 26 Apr 2021 13:41:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.3.5] (helo=chao) by old-forest.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94) (envelope-from <[email protected]>) id 1lazc9-0006lS-Aq; Mon, 26 Apr 2021 12:41:21 +0100 Received: from [192.168.10.23] (helo=anhrefn.saar.de) by chao with esmtps (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from <[email protected]>) id 1lazJ4-0005Sh-Q2; Mon, 26 Apr 2021 13:21:38 +0200 Received: from aw by anhrefn.saar.de with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from <[email protected]>) id 1lazYc-0002BK-2T; Mon, 26 Apr 2021 13:37:42 +0200 Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 13:37:42 +0200 From: Arne Wichmann <[email protected]> To: [email protected], [email protected] Subject: Has speech-dispatcher been forked? Message-ID: <[email protected]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Nq2Wo0NMKNjxTN9z" Content-Disposition: inline X-message-flag: Outluck ist kaputt :-) Return-Receipt-To: [email protected] User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on tupac3.dyne.org --Nq2Wo0NMKNjxTN9z Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The reasoning in the bug looked quite sound - what is the state of the package? Shall we close the bug as being done or downgrade it to wishlist? cu AW --=20 [...] If you don't want to be restricted, don't agree to it. If you are coerced, comply as much as you must to protect yourself, just don't support it. Noone can free you but yourself. (crag, on Debian Planet) Arne Wichmann ([email protected]) --Nq2Wo0NMKNjxTN9z Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCAAdFiEEtFUkbndwdIn81UX3EIremXYA/4kFAmCGpgUACgkQEIremXYA /4lVABAApu56gZT2eh2tCn5iQuaZ/y5BhLyRZ2erGoGrm4doIdvCDe+onqzAjHR4 SM0Bdn8qUZrfl019JADCa7eGfbEb8EOrTop3Fg+ckyKo+glMKY4ARSsmFk9DOVfB 1YSanMJCCbprTxahT8o3smLQ+b+95X1UKCn6JqcCe0Ruiy/8E6KXTxDwj1PK7sb1 m4WKZwLjPTxV+V+dlEoLdoz2mhyBoOQdApW4SJPjjVgPNdVOePvjFYRqAYoHwHPf Di+iDNviZVnQyOqXpztRoXebsTVU8Hh3UJ+B8oSPt8zycwMrynrOzndv+b9LVWze 3wGmryUL8JPoNvB6PJtqFGdG8rrzt+nWo8PQjbnk0jFgH2XiDSLraGpIEajdlJX9 bvTPoQdcFiXOLDjga+c/axT4wLSK2D4Ag3m0KaHMXjL/410+QOmKwCoJiA+KQwP/ rEvj1EtjwqMX3Z63KTmD+wD8MOI89vQIaz3Rhx6VR3/fulTl0xOkrlXiIdU/ty3w QypLO6158VxUn/ZNmtQQat7NgHczq0Uv7JD68z07+TlCXPh9mbKKXA81bl3XEW0A 97PKjDnhtmmIRc92/5OX2KSb9Cijy2/58uGWRVO4cFoeqVSnH1Y4nOcd/7AD60uX 6xcTDaoVL1PiLQGTwh75BuDVxQB9Z7o62Fsi1V1bzkXpVpqY2fw= =zs5d -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Nq2Wo0NMKNjxTN9z--
Arne Wichmann <[email protected]>:Devuan Developers <[email protected]>.
Full text available.[email protected], Devuan Developers <[email protected]>:bug#496; Package devuan-project.
Full text available.Received: (at submit) by bugs.devuan.org; 26 Jul 2020 04:50:22 +0000 Return-Path: <[email protected]> Delivered-To: [email protected] Received: from tupac3.dyne.org [195.169.149.119] by doc.devuan.org with IMAP (fetchmail-6.4.0.beta4) for <debbugs@localhost> (single-drop); Sun, 26 Jul 2020 04:50:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vserver.gregn.net (vserver.gregn.net [174.136.110.154]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by vm6.ganeti.dyne.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A7E68F60481 for <[email protected]>; Sun, 26 Jul 2020 06:41:36 +0200 (CEST) Authentication-Results: vm6.ganeti.dyne.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gregn.net [email protected] header.b="wSKdE4kr"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: from pegasus.gregn.net (unknown [IPv6:2607:fb90:4a3c:fa1d:4110:bf3d:451d:2162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by vserver.gregn.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F203E1EAA; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 21:41:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=gregn.net; s=default; t=1595738495; bh=Jl/QGzyVVg0gH5O1YwNq5dGLqPYQfeoj5tcojFBRsoU=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:From; b=wSKdE4krSut3Ok1LXiTyFxruSkt/udWgdJ1K0x03iT+4mN4P59zWmc45GjlHY3v9g ytZXlUBVibfznwh8qpc1ZqZ3gtBAlJAjyc3C/MQnEpKPOd/70wvHRsEm1xdWDXw6kT 9aAuqR4ekNMmP3XDPJY4l4RSNjpeBv3IICeZMNawBuXjzX/V8XGtGvROUHurPlLkef O4/HBtmkpnPaBwbLWu4WLbQliO5E+CUG8b4BYLSuawxBlHEpkf31o6MiVBoyKG46bx xNTBYKQtT9ldkz+XOLzDQfxjUyUJmCvEG5HDILx5NcnJLge3xi0jgFuaFgnmeKN7Vo nI818bRcvHbIA== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Gregory Nowak <[email protected]> To: Devuan Bug Tracking System <[email protected]> Subject: devuan-project: request to fork speech-dispatcher package from debian Message-ID: <159573846886.13963.13548811663893514592.reportbug@pegasus.gregn.net> X-Mailer: reportbug 7.5.3+devuan3 Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 21:41:08 -0700 X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.102.3 at vserver X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on tupac3.dyne.org Package: devuan-project Severity: grave Tags: a11y Justification: renders package unusable This is a request to fork the speech-dispatcher package from debian, and modify speech-dispatcher's configuration. -- background: There are two methods to access a devuan system with speech output. The first method is to use the text console. On a devuan system installed with accessibility, the text console is accessed through the speakup screen reader, espeakup, and espeak/espeak-ng. The speakup screen reader is part of the linux kernel. Since speakup lives in kernel space, it cannot access a software speech synthesizer like espeak directly. On a devuan system installed with speech output, the connector between speakup and espeak is a piece of software called espeakup. Espeakup monitors speakup for text to be spoken, and uses espeak to process the text for speech to be output through the sound card. The espeakup program uses ALSA to access the sound card. ALSA is used so that espeakup has a minimal number of dependencies, and so that those who don't want to use pulseaudio aren't forced to do so. The second method to access a devuan system with speech is to use the orca screen reader at the graphical console. To produce speech output, orca uses a program called speech-dispatcher. The aim of speech-dispatcher is to accept text to speak from multiple clients, and pass it to one of multiple speech synthesizers for speech output. The speech-dispatcher program can output speech to a sound card in multiple ways, or it can even output speech over the network. On a devuan system installed with speech, the speech-dispatcher program inherited from debian uses pulseaudio to drive the sound card. Since pulseaudio doesn't autospawn on devuan, this means that speech-dispatcher by default can't output speech to the sound card. This in turn means that users don't get speech at the graphical console in devuan 3.0 by default. Users do however get speech at the text console, since as I mentioned above, espeakup uses ALSA to output to the sound card. In debian pulseaudio is autospawned by systemd, so the opposite is true; users have speech at the graphical console, but not at the text console, since pulseaudio holds the sound card, preventing espeakup from accessing the sound card through ALSA. -- proposed solution: The solution I'm proposing is to fork debian's speech-dispatcher package, and change speech-dispatcher's configuration so it uses libao instead of pulseaudio by default for speech output. As long as devuan's default is not to autospawn pulseaudio, this means that both espeakup and speech-dispatcher will use ALSA to drive the sound card. This in turn means that users requiring speech output in devuan will have it both at the text and the graphical consoles by default. If devuan does however change to autospawn pulseaudio by default in the future, the change I'm proposing means that users would not have speech at either text or graphical consoles. Configuring speech-dispatcher to use libao for output is done in the /etc/speech-dispatcher/speechd.conf file. In that file, the line which reads: # AudioOutputMethod "pulseaudio" should be changed to read: AudioOutputMethod "libao" This change is also suggested in the troubleshooting section of the debian accessibility wiki. I'm planning to fork and maintain the speech-dispatcher package for devuan once I'm able to take on that responsibility, assuming no one does so first. There are other ways to fix this situation. However, the method I'm proposing is the most straightforward, and should be welcomed by most users requiring speech output at the text and graphical consoles. -- System Information: Distributor ID: Debian Description: Devuan GNU/Linux 3 (beowulf) Release: 3 Codename: beowulf
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