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Package: dbus-user-session
Severity: normal

Dear Maintainer,

Debian-compatible packages depend on dbus-user-session, which in turn 
depends on systemd.
Are there plans to have a stub package in Devuan to ensure compatibility?

Thanks,


-- System Information:
Distributor ID: Devuan
Description:    Devuan GNU/Linux 4 (chimaera)
Release:        4
Codename:       chimaera
Architecture: x86_64

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Bernard,

On Wed, Dec 01, 2021 at 09:59:11PM +0100, Bernard Rosset wrote:
> Package: dbus-user-session
> Severity: normal
> 
> Dear Maintainer,
> 
> Debian-compatible packages depend on dbus-user-session, which in turn
> depends on systemd.
> Are there plans to have a stub package in Devuan to ensure compatibility?

Not that I am aware of.

As far as I understand dbus-user-session requires the 'systemd --user'. That is
why it is not available in Devuan.

If you look at https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/bannedpackages.txt, the list of
pacakges with an excusive dependency on dbus-user-session (and therefore banned)
is quite small:

dbus-user-session.[systemd]................|.......3........6.....8..............D..............I..J.
lomiri-app-launch.[dbus-user-session]......|.....................................D..............I..J.
openrazer-daemon.[dbus-user-session].......|......................8..............D..............I..J.
x2gothinclient-chroot.[dbus-user-session]..|.....................................D..............I..J.

What is your use case that is currently not met?

Thanks

Mark

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> What is your use case that is currently not met?

docker-ce-rootless-extras

from repository:
https://download.docker.com/linux/debian bullseye/stable amd64

Its version 5:20.10.11~3-0~debian-bullseye introduced this requirement:
Package: docker-ce-rootless-extras
Version: 5:20.10.11~3-0~debian-bullseye
Priority: optional
Section: admin
Source: docker-ce
Maintainer: Docker <support@docker.com>
Installed-Size: 20.5 MB
Depends: dbus-user-session, libc6 (>= 2.3.2)
Recommends: slirp4netns (>= 0.4.0)
Conflicts: rootlesskit
Breaks: rootlesskit
Replaces: rootlesskit
Enhances: docker-ce
Homepage: https://docs.docker.com/engine/security/rootless/
Download-Size: 7,912 kB
APT-Sources: https://download.docker.com/linux/debian bullseye/stable 
amd64 Packages
Description: Rootless support for Docker.
   Use dockerd-rootless.sh to run the daemon.
   Use dockerd-rootless-setuptool.sh to setup systemd for 
dockerd-rootless.sh .
   This package contains RootlessKit, but does not contain VPNKit.
   Either VPNKit or slirp4netns (>= 0.4.0) needs to be installed separately.

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Hi,

Bernard Rosset writes:

>> What is your use case that is currently not met?
>
> docker-ce-rootless-extras

In which case you might be interested in podman as an alternative.

  https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/podman

IIUC, it can run containers without elevated privileges.  Haven't tried
it though, yet.

Hope this helps,
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Hi,

On Thu, Dec 02, 2021 at 12:37:15PM +0100, Bernard Rosset wrote:
> > What is your use case that is currently not met?
> 
> docker-ce-rootless-extras
> 
> from repository:
> https://download.docker.com/linux/debian bullseye/stable amd64
> 
> Its version 5:20.10.11~3-0~debian-bullseye introduced this requirement:
> Package: docker-ce-rootless-extras
> Version: 5:20.10.11~3-0~debian-bullseye
> Priority: optional
> Section: admin
> Source: docker-ce
> Maintainer: Docker <support@docker.com>
> Installed-Size: 20.5 MB
> Depends: dbus-user-session, libc6 (>= 2.3.2)

I think you will need to take this up with docker.com and ask them to support
non-systemd systems. I don't think there is anything we can do in Devuan if the
dbus-user-session dependency represents functionality that is required.

Sorry.

Mark

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