Devuan bug report logs - #727
ntp* missing from desktop tasks

Package: src:tasksel; Reported by: Valentin <[email protected]>; Done: [email protected]; Maintainer for src is (unknown).

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Version: 3.71devuan1

Source package tasksel (3.71devuan1) added to Devuan suite unstable.

This closes bug report 727.

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Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2023 07:19:20 +0000
Source: tasksel
Architecture: source
Version: 3.71devuan1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Devuan Dev Team <[email protected]>
Changed-By: Mark Hindley <[email protected]>
Closes: 727
Changes:
 tasksel (3.71devuan1) unstable; urgency=medium
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   * Merge tag 3.71.
   * Add time-daemon to kde-desktop for time setting menu item (Closes: #727).
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Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2022 16:41:58 +0000
From: Mark Hindley <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: bug#727: ntp* missing from desktop tasks
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Valentine,

On Tue, Dec 06, 2022 at 03:44:26PM +0100, Valentin wrote:
> > This seems reasonable. Maybe adding
> > 
> >  Recommends: time-daemon | ntpsec-ntpdate
> > 
> > to desktop-base is the best option. ntpd doesn't exist in ceres/daedalus and
> > ntpdate is only transitional.
> 
> I'm not sure about it. I think it would be nice to have a service that runs by 
> default, and this suggestion would install ntpsec-ntpdate if no time-daemon 
> was previously installed which needs to be run manually.

If there is a time-daemon installed, isn't running anything manually superfluous?

> But on the other hand i'm not sure what to do instead...
> I was looking around in standard debian and there systemd has
> Recommends: systemd-timesyncd | time-daemon
>  
> > Or maybe this should be kde-* only as I am not sure other desktops have a
> > menu item to set the time.
> 
> I think most desktop environments have it, I'm sure for KDE and Gnome do.

I don't use either. I don't think xfce4 does and the lightweight onces like
openbox certainly doesn't.

Mark

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> > In order to have a fully functional desktop environment without systemd
> > either task-desktop, task-kde-desktop or desktop-base should contain an
> > ntp client.
> This seems reasonable. Maybe adding
> 
>  Recommends: time-daemon | ntpsec-ntpdate
> 
> to desktop-base is the best option. ntpd doesn't exist in ceres/daedalus and
> ntpdate is only transitional.

I'm not sure about it. I think it would be nice to have a service that runs by 
default, and this suggestion would install ntpsec-ntpdate if no time-daemon 
was previously installed which needs to be run manually.

But on the other hand i'm not sure what to do instead...
I was looking around in standard debian and there systemd has
Recommends: systemd-timesyncd | time-daemon
 
> Or maybe this should be kde-* only as I am not sure other desktops have a
> menu item to set the time.

I think most desktop environments have it, I'm sure for KDE and Gnome do.
As the de facto standard nowadays is systemd-timesyncd the system-settings 
guis will work with it installed, either by en- or disabling the service or 
via its dbus interface. I'm not sure if they will work for any other ntp 
daemon and can't find any documentation about it....

Sorry for this inconclusive answer and thanks for your work,
Valentin

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Valentin,

Thanks for this

On Mon, Dec 05, 2022 at 05:30:28PM +0100, Valentin wrote:
> Source: tasksel
> Version: 3.68+devuan4u1
> 
> Dear maintainers,
> 
> I noticed that my kde desktop environment, installed from the devuan installer 
> via tasksel, had the option to "Set date and time automatically" was greyed 
> out.
> 
> This is most likely due to the fact that on default debian desktop 
> installations the ability to set time via ntp is provided by systemd. therefor 
> it also affects some (or all) other desktop environments.
> 
> In order to have a fully functional desktop environment without systemd either 
> task-desktop, task-kde-desktop or desktop-base should contain an ntp client.

This seems reasonable. Maybe adding

 Recommends: time-daemon | ntpsec-ntpdate

to desktop-base is the best option. ntpd doesn't exist in ceres/daedalus and
ntpdate is only transitional.

Or maybe this should be kde-* only as I am not sure other desktops have a menu
item to set the time.

What do you think?

Mark

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Source: tasksel
Version: 3.68+devuan4u1

Dear maintainers,

I noticed that my kde desktop environment, installed from the devuan installer 
via tasksel, had the option to "Set date and time automatically" was greyed 
out.

This is most likely due to the fact that on default debian desktop 
installations the ability to set time via ntp is provided by systemd. therefor 
it also affects some (or all) other desktop environments.

In order to have a fully functional desktop environment without systemd either 
task-desktop, task-kde-desktop or desktop-base should contain an ntp client.

As a workaround: manually install ntpd or ntpdate or...

Thanks for your work,
Valentin

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