Devuan bug report logs - #807
reportbug: should submit bug reports to Devuan & indicate distribution

Package: reportbug; Severity: grave; Reported by: Ansgar <[email protected]>; Done: [email protected]; Maintainer for reportbug is Mark Hindley <[email protected]>.

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Version: 12.0.0devuan3

Source package reportbug (12.0.0devuan3) added to Devuan suite unstable.

This closes bug report 807.

Thanks

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Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2023 17:03:42 +0000
Source: reportbug
Architecture: source
Version: 12.0.0devuan3
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Mark Hindley <[email protected]>
Changed-By: Mark Hindley <[email protected]>
Closes: 807
Changes:
 reportbug (12.0.0devuan3) unstable; urgency=medium
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   * Add new BTS desktop-live pseudopackage.
   * Don't use debian_infofunc() for unforked reports to Debian to ensure
     system is correctly identified. (Closes: #807)
   * Clarify question about sending unforked package reports to Debian.
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On Wed, 2023-11-29 at 17:01 +0000, Mark Hindley wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 08:59:11PM +0100, Ansgar wrote:
> > It might be a bug when the report is submitted to Debian's BTS
> > instead
> > of Devuan's BTS.
>=20
> Indeed this was correct: we need not to use debian_infofunc() in this
> case.
>=20
> Thanks for pointing it out.

Thanks for fixing this.

Ansgar

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Added tag(s) pending. Request was from Mark Hindley <[email protected]> to [email protected]. Full text available.

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Subject: Re: bug#807: reportbug: should submit bug reports to Devuan &
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Ansgar,

On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 08:59:11PM +0100, Ansgar wrote:
> It might be a bug when the report is submitted to Debian's BTS instead
> of Devuan's BTS.

Indeed this was correct: we need not to use debian_infofunc() in this case.

Thanks for pointing it out.

Mark

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Subject: Re: bug#807: reportbug: should submit bug reports to Devuan &
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Hi,

On Tue, 2023-11-28 at 15:34 +0000, Mark Hindley wrote:
> Thanks for this.
>=20
> I think you may misunderstand what Devuan's reportbug does.
>=20
> By default it reports to Devuan's BTS.
>=20
> For unforked packages it asks the user which BTS to use (whilst still
> defaulting to Devuan).=20

It should recommend users to file the bug report with Devuan if they
are not sure whether it is not a Devuan-specific bug or not. This is
recommended by Debian's derivative guidelines[1], though AFAIU Devuan
often does the opposite:

+---
| For distributions that modify core or non-leaf packages
| (especially libraries), it is recommended to redirect all bug
| reports to your distribution's tracker.
| [...]
| For distributions that modify configuration in ways that affect
| other packages, it is recommended to redirect all bug reports to
| your distribution's tracker.
+---

  [1]: https://wiki.debian.org/Derivatives/Guidelines#Bug_reports

As Devuan introduces major differences like split-usr, it is
increasingly likely that a large class of issues will only happen on
Devuan, but not Debian.

> The reportbug System Information identifies the Distribution as
> Devuan.

It does not. From the bug report I referenced in the initial mail:

+---
| -- System Information:
| Debian Release: trixie/sid
|   APT prefers experimental
|   APT policy: (1, 'experimental')
| merged-usr: no
| Architecture: amd64 (x86_64)
| Foreign Architectures: i386
+---

which does not say "Devuan" anywhere, except in the header "X-
Reportbug-Version: 12.0.0+devuan2" and some package versions which
include "devuan".

It might be a bug when the report is submitted to Debian's BTS instead
of Devuan's BTS. No idea.

Ansgar

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Ansgar,

Thanks for this.

I think you may misunderstand what Devuan's reportbug does.

By default it reports to Devuan's BTS.

For unforked packages it asks the user which BTS to use (whilst still defaulting to
Devuan). 

The reportbug System Information identifies the Distribution as Devuan.

What more do you suggest?

Thanks and best wishes

Mark

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Package: reportbug
Version: 12.0.0+devuan2
Severity: grave

Devuan's reportbug must be fixed to

1) Submit bug reports to Devuan's bug tracker. Also for packages not
modified by Devuan as the environment matters. For example, Devuan uses
split-/usr which Debian no longer supports and which causes noise in
Debian's bug tracker.

(This is the same for all derivatives, for example Ubuntu reports bugs
to Launchpad.)

2) Include proper and honest information about the distribution. [1]
has no indication it is not from Debian except for the "X-Reportbug-
Version" header; in [2] there are also package versions with "devuan".
This makes investigating bugs hard.

Thanks,
Ansgar

  [1]: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D1057002;msg=3D5
  [2]: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D1057000;msg=3D5

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