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Package: systemd-boot-efi
X-Debbugs-Cc: [email protected]
Version: 252.22-1~deb12u1
Severity: minor

Dear Maintainer,
Looks like linuxia32.efi.stub and linuxx64.efi.stub man pages are=20
broken.
The package was installed from the repositories via APT and passes=20
integrity tests.
[=E2=9C=96 user@host ~ ]$ man linuxia32.efi.stub
man: can't resolve man7/systemd-stub.7
No manual entry for linuxia32.efi.stub

[=E2=9C=96 user@host ~ ]$ man linuxx64.efi.stub
man: can't resolve man7/systemd-stub.7
No manual entry for linuxx64.efi.stub


-- System Information:
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Release: 5
Codename: daedalus
Architecture: x86_64

Kernel: Linux 6.1.0-18-amd64 (SMP w/6 CPU threads; PREEMPT)
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Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash
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<div id=3D"geary-body" dir=3D"auto"><div>Package: systemd-boot-efi</div><di=
v>X-Debbugs-Cc: [email protected]</div><div>Version: 252.22-1~deb12u1<=
/div><div>Severity: minor</div><div><br></div><div>Dear Maintainer,</div><d=
iv>Looks like linuxia32.efi.stub and linuxx64.efi.stub man pages are broken=
.</div><div>The package was installed from the repositories via APT and pas=
ses integrity tests.</div><div>[=E2=9C=96 user@host ~ ]$ man linuxia32.efi.=
stub&nbsp;</div><div>man: can't resolve man7/systemd-stub.7</div><div>No ma=
nual entry for linuxia32.efi.stub</div><div><br></div><div>[=E2=9C=96 user@=
host ~ ]$ man linuxx64.efi.stub&nbsp;</div><div>man: can't resolve man7/sys=
temd-stub.7</div><div>No manual entry for linuxx64.efi.stub</div><div><br><=
/div><div><br></div><div>-- System Information:</div><div>Distributor ID:	D=
evuan</div><div>Description:	Devuan GNU/Linux 5 (daedalus)</div><div>Releas=
e:	5</div><div>Codename:	daedalus</div><div>Architecture: x86_64</div><div>=
<br></div><div>Kernel: Linux 6.1.0-18-amd64 (SMP w/6 CPU threads; PREEMPT)<=
/div><div>Kernel taint flags: TAINT_WARN, TAINT_OOT_MODULE</div><div>Locale=
: LANG=3Den_US.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=3Den_US.UTF-8 (charmap=3DUTF-8), LANGUAGE no=
t set</div><div>Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash</div><div>Init: OpenRC (=
via /run/openrc), PID 1: openrc-init</div><div><br></div><div>-- no debconf=
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On Mon, Mar 25, 2024 at 09:59:08AM +1100, murzik wrote:
>    Package: systemd-boot-efi

This is not a forked package and Devuan uses Debian's packages directly without
recompilation. 

>    X-Debbugs-Cc: [email protected]
>    Version: 252.22-1~deb12u1
>    Severity: minor
>    Dear Maintainer,
>    Looks like linuxia32.efi.stub and linuxx64.efi.stub man pages are
>    broken.
>    The package was installed from the repositories via APT and passes
>    integrity tests.
>    [✖ user@host ~ ]$ man linuxia32.efi.stub
>    man: can't resolve man7/systemd-stub.7
>    No manual entry for linuxia32.efi.stub
>    [✖ user@host ~ ]$ man linuxx64.efi.stub
>    man: can't resolve man7/systemd-stub.7

man7/systemd-stub.7 is contained in bin:systemd[1]. So you have uncovered a
missing dependency: systemd-boot-efi should depend on systemd.

In principle, this should be reported to Debian's BTS to be fixed. However, if
it was fixed in Debian, systemd-boot-efi would become unavailable in Devuan as
the systemd package and its rdepends are banned and removed by amprolla. That
may not be what you want to achieve.

The choice is yours.

Mark

[1]  https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=bookworm&arch=any&mode=filename&searchon=contents&keywords=systemd-stub

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On Mon, Mar 25, 2024 at 09:59:08AM +1100, murzik wrote:
>    Package: systemd-boot-efi

This is not a forked package and Devuan uses Debian's packages directly without
recompilation. 

>    X-Debbugs-Cc: [email protected]
>    Version: 252.22-1~deb12u1
>    Severity: minor
>    Dear Maintainer,
>    Looks like linuxia32.efi.stub and linuxx64.efi.stub man pages are
>    broken.
>    The package was installed from the repositories via APT and passes
>    integrity tests.
>    [✖ user@host ~ ]$ man linuxia32.efi.stub
>    man: can't resolve man7/systemd-stub.7
>    No manual entry for linuxia32.efi.stub
>    [✖ user@host ~ ]$ man linuxx64.efi.stub
>    man: can't resolve man7/systemd-stub.7

man7/systemd-stub.7 is contained in bin:systemd[1]. So you have uncovered a
missing dependency: systemd-boot-efi should depend on systemd.

In principle, this should be reported to Debian's BTS to be fixed. However, if
it was fixed in Debian, systemd-boot-efi would become unavailable in Devuan as
the systemd package and its rdepends are banned and removed by amprolla. That
may not be what you want to achieve.

The choice is yours.

Mark

[1]  https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=bookworm&arch=any&mode=filename&searchon=contents&keywords=systemd-stub


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From: murzik <[email protected]>
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oh.. sad. anyway, thanks for letting me know. This error will 100% be=20
revealed sooner or later. maybe its possible to just replace=20
systemd-stub-efi with systemd-srub-efi-standalone? It will be extremely=20
strange if the only way to use sd-stub in devuan is to dig into the=20
meason config and build systemd yourself. Also, implementing a=20
standalone package will be extremely simple - nothing other than=20
editing the meson config is required. Also, there is already a=20
ready-made config and implementation:=20
<https://github.com/schreiberstein/systemd-efi-stub-standalone>
As far as I can tell, the project has experience in this.
we already have systemd-bootchart; systmed-sysusers-standalone;=20
systemd-tpmfiles-standalone; systemd-oomd.. I don't think adding one=20
standalone package will be a problem.

On Mon, Mar 25 2024 at 09:34:03 PM +00:00:00, Mark Hindley=20
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Control: tags -1 debian
>=20
> On Mon, Mar 25, 2024 at 09:59:08AM +1100, murzik wrote:
>>     Package: systemd-boot-efi
>=20
> This is not a forked package and Devuan uses Debian's packages=20
> directly without
> recompilation.
>=20
>>     X-Debbugs-Cc: [email protected]=20
>> <mailto:[email protected]>
>>     Version: 252.22-1~deb12u1
>>     Severity: minor
>>     Dear Maintainer,
>>     Looks like linuxia32.efi.stub and linuxx64.efi.stub man pages are
>>     broken.
>>     The package was installed from the repositories via APT and=20
>> passes
>>     integrity tests.
>>     [=E2=9C=96 user@host ~ ]$ man linuxia32.efi.stub
>>     man: can't resolve man7/systemd-stub.7
>>     No manual entry for linuxia32.efi.stub
>>     [=E2=9C=96 user@host ~ ]$ man linuxx64.efi.stub
>>     man: can't resolve man7/systemd-stub.7
>=20
> man7/systemd-stub.7 is contained in bin:systemd[1]. So you have=20
> uncovered a
> missing dependency: systemd-boot-efi should depend on systemd.
>=20
> In principle, this should be reported to Debian's BTS to be fixed.=20
> However, if
> it was fixed in Debian, systemd-boot-efi would become unavailable in=20
> Devuan as
> the systemd package and its rdepends are banned and removed by=20
> amprolla. That
> may not be what you want to achieve.
>=20
> The choice is yours.
>=20
> Mark
>=20
> [1] =20
> <https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=3Dbookworm&arch=3Dany&mode=3Dfi=
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<div id=3D"geary-body" dir=3D"auto"><div>oh.. sad. anyway, thanks for letti=
ng me know. This error will 100% be revealed sooner or later. maybe its pos=
sible to just replace systemd-stub-efi with systemd-srub-efi-standalone? It=
 will be extremely strange if the only way to use sd-stub in devuan is to d=
ig into the meason config and build systemd yourself. Also, implementing a =
standalone package will be extremely simple - nothing other than editing th=
e meson config is required. Also, there is already a ready-made config and =
implementation: <a href=3D"https://github.com/schreiberstein/systemd-efi-st=
ub-standalone">https://github.com/schreiberstein/systemd-efi-stub-standalon=
e</a>&nbsp;<br><div>As far as I can tell, the project has experience in thi=
s.</div><div>we already have systemd-bootchart; systmed-sysusers-standalone=
; systemd-tpmfiles-standalone; systemd-oomd.. I don't think adding one stan=
dalone package will be a problem.</div></div></div><div id=3D"geary-quote" =
dir=3D"auto"><br>On Mon, Mar 25 2024 at 09:34:03 PM +00:00:00, Mark Hindley=
 &lt;[email protected]&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div class=
=3D"plaintext" style=3D"white-space: break-spaces;">Control: tags -1 debian

On Mon, Mar 25, 2024 at 09:59:08AM +1100, murzik wrote:
<blockquote>    Package: systemd-boot-efi
</blockquote>
This is not a forked package and Devuan uses Debian's packages directly wit=
hout
recompilation.=20

<blockquote>    X-Debbugs-Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">lor=
[email protected]</a>
    Version: 252.22-1~deb12u1
    Severity: minor
    Dear Maintainer,
    Looks like linuxia32.efi.stub and linuxx64.efi.stub man pages are
    broken.
    The package was installed from the repositories via APT and passes
    integrity tests.
    [=E2=9C=96 user@host ~ ]$ man linuxia32.efi.stub
    man: can't resolve man7/systemd-stub.7
    No manual entry for linuxia32.efi.stub
    [=E2=9C=96 user@host ~ ]$ man linuxx64.efi.stub
    man: can't resolve man7/systemd-stub.7
</blockquote>
man7/systemd-stub.7 is contained in bin:systemd[1]. So you have uncovered a
missing dependency: systemd-boot-efi should depend on systemd.

In principle, this should be reported to Debian's BTS to be fixed. However,=
 if
it was fixed in Debian, systemd-boot-efi would become unavailable in Devuan=
 as
the systemd package and its rdepends are banned and removed by amprolla. Th=
at
may not be what you want to achieve.

The choice is yours.

Mark

[1]  <a href=3D"https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=3Dbookworm&amp;arc=
h=3Dany&amp;mode=3Dfilename&amp;searchon=3Dcontents&amp;keywords=3Dsystemd-=
stub">https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=3Dbookworm&amp;arch=3Dany&am=
p;mode=3Dfilename&amp;searchon=3Dcontents&amp;keywords=3Dsystemd-stub</a>

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>    we already have systemd-bootchart; systmed-sysusers-standalone;
>    systemd-tpmfiles-standalone; systemd-oomd.. I don't think adding one
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All of those are Debian packages. Devuan doesn't produce any systemd 
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Interesting. but it seems to me that adding a dependency on systemd 
because of one (!!) documentation file will be a very strange decision. 
this file will most likely be moved from the systemd package, or even 
just a copy of it added to the package.
Also, I found an alternative - stubby core.
so even if a dependency on systemd is added, it shouldn't cause any 
inconvenience
Interesting. but it seems to me that adding a dependency on systemd 
because of one (!!) documentation file will be a very strange decision. 
this file will most likely be moved from the systemd package, or even 
just a copy of it added to the package.
Also, I found an alternative - stubby core.
so even if a dependency on systemd is added, it shouldn't cause any 
inconvenience
Interesting. but it seems to me that adding a dependency on systemd 
because of one (!!) documentation file will be a very strange decision. 
this file will most likely be moved from the systemd package, or even 
just a copy of it added to the package.
Also, I found an alternative - stubby core.
so even if a dependency on systemd is added, it shouldn't cause any 
inconvenience
Interesting. but it seems to me that adding a dependency on systemd 
because of one (!!) documentation file will be a very strange decision. 
this file will most likely be moved from the systemd package, or even 
just a copy of it added to the package.
Also, I found an alternative - stubby 
https://github.com/puzzleos/stubby.
so even if a dependency on systemd is added, it shouldn't cause any 
inconvenience.
I'll report it to debian bug tracker later.

On Wed, Apr 3 2024 at 01:11:15 PM +01:00:00, Mark Hindley 
<[email protected]> wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 03, 2024 at 10:07:50PM +1100, murzik wrote:
>>     As far as I can tell, the project has experience in this.
>>     we already have systemd-bootchart; systmed-sysusers-standalone;
>>     systemd-tpmfiles-standalone; systemd-oomd.. I don't think adding 
>> one
>>     standalone package will be a problem.
> 
> All of those are Debian packages. Devuan doesn't produce any systemd
> standalone packages.
> 
> Mark


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Also, I found an alternative - stubby core.
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unset; text-overflow: unset; text-decoration: unset; transition: unset; ani=
mation: unset; animation-composition: unset;">Interesting. but it seems to =
me that adding a dependency on systemd because of one (!!) documentation fi=
le will be a very strange decision. this file will most likely be moved fro=
m the systemd package, or even just a copy of it added to the package.
Also, I found an alternative - stubby core.
so even if a dependency on systemd is added, it shouldn't cause any inconve=
nience</span></div>Interesting. but it seems to me that adding a dependency=
 on systemd because of one (!!) documentation file will be a very strange d=
ecision. this file will most likely be moved from the systemd package, or e=
ven just a copy of it added to the package.<div>Also, I found an alternativ=
e - stubby https://github.com/puzzleos/stubby.</div><div>so even if a depen=
dency on systemd is added, it shouldn't cause any inconvenience.<br>I'll re=
port it to debian bug tracker later.<br><br>On Wed, Apr 3 2024 at 01:11:15 =
PM +01:00:00, Mark Hindley &lt;[email protected]&gt; wrote:<br><blockquot=
e type=3D"cite"><div class=3D"plaintext" style=3D"white-space: break-spaces=
;">On Wed, Apr 03, 2024 at 10:07:50PM +1100, murzik wrote:
<blockquote>    As far as I can tell, the project has experience in this.
    we already have systemd-bootchart; systmed-sysusers-standalone;
    systemd-tpmfiles-standalone; systemd-oomd.. I don't think adding one
    standalone package will be a problem.
</blockquote>
All of those are Debian packages. Devuan doesn't produce any systemd=20
standalone packages.

Mark
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Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2024 13:33:38 +1100
From: murzik <[email protected]>
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Interesting. but it seems to me that adding a dependency on systemd 
because of one (!!) documentation file will be a very strange decision. 
this file will most likely be moved from the systemd package, or even 
just a copy of it added to the package.
Also, I found an alternative - stubby 
<https://github.com/puzzleos/stubby>.
so even if a dependency on systemd is added, it shouldn't cause any 
inconvenience.
I'll report it to debian bug tracker later.

On Thu, Apr 4 2024 at 01:23:34 PM +11:00:00, murzik 
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Interesting. but it seems to me that adding a dependency on systemd 
> because of one (!!) documentation file will be a very strange 
> decision. this file will most likely be moved from the systemd 
> package, or even just a copy of it added to the package.
> Also, I found an alternative - stubby core.
> so even if a dependency on systemd is added, it shouldn't cause any 
> inconvenience
> Interesting. but it seems to me that adding a dependency on systemd 
> because of one (!!) documentation file will be a very strange 
> decision. this file will most likely be moved from the systemd 
> package, or even just a copy of it added to the package.
> Also, I found an alternative - stubby core.
> so even if a dependency on systemd is added, it shouldn't cause any 
> inconvenience
> Interesting. but it seems to me that adding a dependency on systemd 
> because of one (!!) documentation file will be a very strange 
> decision. this file will most likely be moved from the systemd 
> package, or even just a copy of it added to the package.
> Also, I found an alternative - stubby core.
> so even if a dependency on systemd is added, it shouldn't cause any 
> inconvenience
> Interesting. but it seems to me that adding a dependency on systemd 
> because of one (!!) documentation file will be a very strange 
> decision. this file will most likely be moved from the systemd 
> package, or even just a copy of it added to the package.
> Also, I found an alternative - stubby 
> https://github.com/puzzleos/stubby.
> so even if a dependency on systemd is added, it shouldn't cause any 
> inconvenience.
> I'll report it to debian bug tracker later.
> 
> On Wed, Apr 3 2024 at 01:11:15 PM +01:00:00, Mark Hindley 
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Wed, Apr 03, 2024 at 10:07:50PM +1100, murzik wrote:
>>>     As far as I can tell, the project has experience in this.
>>>     we already have systemd-bootchart; systmed-sysusers-standalone;
>>>     systemd-tpmfiles-standalone; systemd-oomd.. I don't think 
>>> adding one
>>>     standalone package will be a problem.
>> 
>> All of those are Debian packages. Devuan doesn't produce any systemd
>> standalone packages.
>> 
>> Mark


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unset; text-overflow: unset; text-decoration: unset; transition: unset; ani=
mation: unset; animation-composition: unset;">Interesting. but it seems to =
me that adding a dependency on systemd because of one (!!) documentation fi=
le will be a very strange decision. this file will most likely be moved fro=
m the systemd package, or even just a copy of it added to the package.
Also, I found an alternative - stubby core.
so even if a dependency on systemd is added, it shouldn't cause any inconve=
nience</span></div>Interesting. but it seems to me that adding a dependency=
 on systemd because of one (!!) documentation file will be a very strange d=
ecision. this file will most likely be moved from the systemd package, or e=
ven just a copy of it added to the package.<div>Also, I found an alternativ=
e - stubby https://github.com/puzzleos/stubby.</div><div>so even if a depen=
dency on systemd is added, it shouldn't cause any inconvenience.<br>I'll re=
port it to debian bug tracker later.<br><br>On Wed, Apr 3 2024 at 01:11:15 =
PM +01:00:00, Mark Hindley &lt;[email protected]&gt; wrote:<br><blockquot=
e type=3D"cite"><div class=3D"plaintext" style=3D"white-space: break-spaces=
;">On Wed, Apr 03, 2024 at 10:07:50PM +1100, murzik wrote:
<blockquote>    As far as I can tell, the project has experience in this.
    we already have systemd-bootchart; systmed-sysusers-standalone;
    systemd-tpmfiles-standalone; systemd-oomd.. I don't think adding one
    standalone package will be a problem.
</blockquote>
All of those are Debian packages. Devuan doesn't produce any systemd=20
standalone packages.

Mark
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