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Package: ulogd2
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/etc/logrotate.d/ulogd2 uses invoke-rc.d to notify ulogd2 to reopen
logs but it doesn't work when using policy-rcd-declarative-deny-all so
shouldn't the logrotate configuration snippet use rather 'service' ?

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Opty,

On Tue, Apr 01, 2025 at 02:47:49PM +0200, Opty wrote:
> Package: ulogd2
> Version: 2.0.8-1
> 
> /etc/logrotate.d/ulogd2 uses invoke-rc.d to notify ulogd2 to reopen
> logs but it doesn't work when using policy-rcd-declarative-deny-all so
> shouldn't the logrotate configuration snippet use rather 'service' ?

Possibly, but I am not sure. Certainly all the other /etc/logrotate.d examples I
can find use invoke-rc.d. It may be to prevent rotation in chroots and the like
when it would fail. Also, if you have prevented services from starting int he
first place, there is no need to rotate the logs later. Why do you have
policy-rcd-declarative-deny-all installed? What is your intention in doing that?
                                                                                                                                                           
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Opty,

On Tue, Apr 01, 2025 at 02:47:49PM +0200, Opty wrote:
> Package: ulogd2
> Version: 2.0.8-1
> 
> /etc/logrotate.d/ulogd2 uses invoke-rc.d to notify ulogd2 to reopen
> logs but it doesn't work when using policy-rcd-declarative-deny-all so
> shouldn't the logrotate configuration snippet use rather 'service' ?

Possibly, but I am not sure. Certainly all the other /etc/logrotate.d examples I
can find use invoke-rc.d. It may be to prevent rotation in chroots and the like
when it would fail. Also, if you have prevented services from starting int he
first place, there is no need to rotate the logs later. Why do you have
policy-rcd-declarative-deny-all installed? What is your intention in doing that?

However, I am sure that ulogd2 isn't forked in Devuan and so this should be
reported directly to Debian's BTS if you really think there is an issue.

Mark

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On Tue, Apr 1, 2025 at 6:44=E2=80=AFPM Mark Hindley <[email protected]> w=
rote:
> Possibly, but I am not sure. Certainly all the other /etc/logrotate.d exa=
mples I
> can find use invoke-rc.d. It may be to prevent rotation in chroots and th=
e like
> when it would fail. Also, if you have prevented services from starting in=
t he
> first place, there is no need to rotate the logs later. Why do you have
> policy-rcd-declarative-deny-all installed? What is your intention in doin=
g that?

Please see #881 or should I copy the story here as well?

> However, I am sure that ulogd2 isn't forked in Devuan and so this should =
be
> reported directly to Debian's BTS if you really think there is an issue.

Now that Debian uses systemd by default I considered Devuan a better
place for System V style init stuff but I will think about reporting
to Debian BTS then.

Regards,
Opty

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On Wed, Apr 02, 2025 at 01:58:20PM +0200, Opty wrote:
> Please see #881 or should I copy the story here as well?

No. Really these are all the same issue. I will merge them for now while we look
at the detail.

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reassign 882 init-system-helpers
forcemerge 881 882
reassign 883 init-system-helpers 
forcemerge 881 883
reassign 884 init-system-helpers 
forcemerge 881 884
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reassign 882 init-system-helpers
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reassign 883 init-system-helpers 
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