Received: (at 812-done) by bugs.devuan.org; 20 Mar 2024 12:07:33 +0000 Return-Path: <[email protected]> Delivered-To: [email protected] Received: from email.devuan.org [2a01:4f9:fff1:13::5fd9:f9e4] by doc.devuan.org with IMAP (fetchmail-6.4.16) for <debbugs@localhost> (single-drop); Wed, 20 Mar 2024 12:07:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from email.devuan.org by email.devuan.org with LMTP id XLu1N0jR+mVQUQAAmSBk0A (envelope-from <[email protected]>) for <[email protected]>; Wed, 20 Mar 2024 12:06:32 +0000 Received: by email.devuan.org (Postfix, from userid 109) id A89844A1; Wed, 20 Mar 2024 12:06:32 +0000 (UTC) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on email.devuan.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.4 required=5.0 tests=RDNS_DYNAMIC,SPF_PASS, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 Received-SPF: Pass (mailfrom) identity=mailfrom; client-ip=193.36.131.86; helo=mx.hindley.org.uk; [email protected]; receiver=<UNKNOWN> Received: from mx.hindley.org.uk (193-36-131-86.cfwn.uk [193.36.131.86]) by email.devuan.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5C2C53FA for <[email protected]>; Wed, 20 Mar 2024 12:06:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hindley.org.uk (apollo.hindleynet [192.168.1.3]) by mx.hindley.org.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id A2FF0B7 for <[email protected]>; Wed, 20 Mar 2024 12:06:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: (nullmailer pid 24547 invoked by uid 1000); Wed, 20 Mar 2024 12:06:27 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2024 12:06:27 +0000 From: Mark Hindley <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: bug#812: Devuan project: merged-usr Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> X-Debbugs-No-Ack: No Thanks Merged /usr is now enforced by base-files 13devuan4 and handled by debootstrap 1.0.134devuan2. Both of these versions are present in ceres and excalibur: base-files | 13devuan4 | excalibur | source, all base-files | 13devuan4 | unstable | source, all debootstrap | 1.0.134devuan2 | excalibur | source, all debootstrap | 1.0.134devuan2 | unstable | source, all Golinux also posted an announcement[1] on the forum. Therefore I am closing these reports as fixed. Mark [1] https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=6435
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Full text available.Received: (at 813) by bugs.devuan.org; 8 Dec 2023 20:43:35 +0000 Return-Path: <[email protected]> Delivered-To: [email protected] Received: from email.devuan.org [2a01:4f8:a0:3284::74ca:8ad2] by doc.devuan.org with IMAP (fetchmail-6.4.16) for <debbugs@localhost> (single-drop); Fri, 08 Dec 2023 20:43:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from email.devuan.org by email.devuan.org with LMTP id TQCWIrN/c2VPEAAAmSBk0A (envelope-from <[email protected]>) for <[email protected]>; Fri, 08 Dec 2023 20:42:27 +0000 Received: by email.devuan.org (Postfix, from userid 109) id 81E5B647; Fri, 8 Dec 2023 20:42:27 +0000 (UTC) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on email.devuan.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI,SPF_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 Received-SPF: None (mailfrom) identity=mailfrom; client-ip=136.243.71.142; helo=isilmar-4.linta.de; [email protected]; receiver=<UNKNOWN> Received: from isilmar-4.linta.de (isilmar-4.linta.de [136.243.71.142]) by email.devuan.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5B0DD27 for <[email protected]>; Fri, 8 Dec 2023 20:42:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from isilmar-4.linta.de (isilmar.linta [10.0.0.1]) by isilmar-4.linta.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3EFD200230; Fri, 8 Dec 2023 20:42:24 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2023 21:42:05 +0100 From: Helmut Grohne <[email protected]> To: [email protected], [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: Bug#1056980: Reopen 1056980 Message-ID: <[email protected]> Mail-Followup-To: Helmut Grohne <[email protected]>, [email protected], [email protected], [email protected] References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> Hi Svante, On Fri, Dec 08, 2023 at 04:15:01PM +0100, Svante Signell wrote: > Reopening this bug due to a deliberate attempt to fool the users: Either you move binaries _and_ configuration files > to /usr/bin or explicitely depend on usrmerge. And closing this bug as wontfix is not nice. This sounds simple to you, but it really is not. Effectively you are asking us to do one of three things: a. Not move the binaries b. Move the binaries and alternatives c. Depends on usrmerge Let me decline all of them with reason. a. Doing this would imply a permanent symlink vs directory conflict for /bin and also causes us to continue experiencing aliasing-related issues. We've ruled this out early on. b. Moving alternatives is difficult. It actually is on two levels. For one thing, the alternative has a name and a location. If you move the location of an alternative, all providers must move it at the same time or bad things will happen. On a technical level, this is very difficult to achieve and hence we recommend not doing it. Then you can consider moving an actual provider. Unfortunately, that path has become API of the alternatives system, so in moving it we break integrations (ansible/chef/propellor/puppet/etc). In all of this migration, we must ensure that user configuration is not lost. So we've opted to not solve this for now. I invite you to present a solution, but the solution you gave falls short on a number of problems mentioned here. So arguably wontfix is maybe too strong, but in effect that doesn't change what we'll be doing here: keeping alternatives aliased (at least for now). c. usrmerge already is essential since bookworm. Therefore, there is an implicit dependency on it already and spelling out such a dependency is redundant. We actually want to get rid of the package before too long, so adding dependencies on it would make that harder to do. > I've modified netcat-traditional.postinst on both usrmerged and non-usrmerged systems without problems. So your second comment b) in > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1056980#15 > is definitely false: > > From: Chris Hofstaedtler <[[email protected]](mailto:[email protected])> > ... > No, changing the update-alternatives call is > a) not necessary on /usr-merged systems, > b) will break on these. > > No the system did not break! Yeah, I understand it does not break your things, but I identified that it does break other things. That said, it's actually great to have people look into options for moving alternatives. Keeping them aliased definitely causes unfortunate surprises to end users, so being able to move them eventually would be cool really. We just haven't found a good way to do it yet. What we lack here is people coming up with a good solution and if you want to be the one, then yes, go for it! Though please don't upload it right away and rather discuss your solution about the alternatives preferably on [email protected] first. Let me caution though that I very much doubt there to be a solution that does not involve changing dpkg, because not having a backwards-compatibility mechanism would annoy a lot of devops people. > Yes, I have read [https://wiki.debian.org/UsrMerge](https://wiki.debian.org/UsrMerge) > > And found: > ! Please suspend further moves temporarily. The effects of moves cause more problems than anticipated > people are working to understand and solve them. Exceptions: Continue to perform moves that fix RC bugs > (e.g. dh_installsystemd or systemd.pc issues) and DEP17P7 mitigations for udev rules. > > And: > Do not update calls to update-alternatives: > - Even if you move e.g. /bin/more to /usr/bin/more, do not change the location used in the > update-alternatives invocation. > - If you add new alternatives, install them to /usr if possible. > > And: > P4: Even when changing all aliased paths from / to /usr, you must not change the paths passed to update-alternatives > invocations that already existed in bookworm. The current plan is to keep existing alternatives aliased as a legacy > forever and add new alternatives without aliasing. > > Who wrote this? The question is why?? All changes to packages moving files to /usr should also move _all_ > corresponding configuration files to, or add an explicit dependency on usrmerge! I wrote this! I hope the reasoning is answered given the above now. In the end though, what I wrote doesn't change much here and I am basically confirming Christian and Luca. netcat-traditional cannot do anything about this at this time. This bug is not actionable unfortunately. I am thus closing it. Please don't continue on the netcat side. It's a distro-wide problem and should go to [email protected]. Thanks for your understanding Helmut
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[178.78.231.178]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id fc3-20020a056512138300b0050bc913a6b5sm240755lfb.76.2023.12.08.07.14.47 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Fri, 08 Dec 2023 07:14:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <[email protected]> Subject: Reopen 1056980 From: Svante Signell <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] To: [email protected] Cc: Debian Control Server <[email protected]>, [email protected] Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2023 16:15:01 +0100 Organization: Home Content-Type: text/markdown; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Evolution 3.46.4-2 MIME-Version: 1.0 reopen 1056980 =20 severity 1056980 serious =20 tags 1056980 patch =20 thanks Hello, Reopening this bug due to a deliberate attempt to fool the users: Either yo= u move binaries _and_ configuration files=20 to /usr/bin or explicitely depend on usrmerge. And closing this bug as wont= fix is not nice. I've modified netcat-traditional.postinst on both usrmerged and non-usrmerg= ed systems without problems. So your second comment b) in https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D1056980#15 is definitely false: From: Chris Hofstaedtler <[[email protected]](mailto:[email protected])> =20 ... No, changing the update-alternatives call is =20 a) not necessary on /usr-merged systems, =20 b) will break on these. No the system did not break! Yes, I have read [https://wiki.debian.org/UsrMerge](https://wiki.debian.org= /UsrMerge) =20 And found: =20 ! Please suspend further moves temporarily. The effects of moves cause more= problems than anticipated=20 people are working to understand and solve them. Exceptions: Continue to pe= rform moves that fix RC bugs (e.g. dh_installsystemd or systemd.pc issues) and DEP17P7 mitigations for u= dev rules. And: Do not update calls to update-alternatives: - Even if you move e.g. /bin/more to /usr/bin/more, do not change the locat= ion used in the=20 update-alternatives invocation. - If you add new alternatives, install them to /usr if possible.=20 And: P4: Even when changing all aliased paths from / to /usr, you must not chang= e the paths passed to update-alternatives invocations that already existed in bookworm. The current plan is to keep e= xisting alternatives aliased as a legacy forever and add new alternatives without aliasing.=20 Who wrote this? The question is why?? All changes to packages moving files = to /usr should also move _all_=20 corresponding configuration files to, or add an explicit dependency on usrm= erge! Thanks!
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From: Svante Signell <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] To: Mark Hindley <[email protected]>, [email protected], Arthur Marsh <[email protected]> Cc: Devuan dng ml <[email protected]>, Klaus Ethgen <[email protected]> Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2023 16:31:39 +0100 In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> <170169630315.18258.8836205405161711723.reportbug@localhost> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> Organization: Home Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Evolution 3.46.4-2 MIME-Version: 1.0 On Tue, 2023-12-05 at 12:53 +0000, Mark Hindley wrote: > Control: reassign -1 devuan-project > Control: forcemerge 810 -1 > Control: affects -1 netcat-traditional >=20 > On Mon, Dec 04, 2023 at 03:28:48PM +0100, Svante Signell wrote: > > You should not be forced to install usrmerge in a Devuan system. That > > package will be forked by Devuan. >=20 > Svante, >=20 > I am not sure either of these assertions is agreed Devuan policy. >=20 Maybe I should have written "will (probably) be forked by Devuan" Nevertheless, reassigning the bugs 810, 812 and 813 to devuan-project means what? Do we continue the discussion or is the project decision that all pac= kages coming from Debian showing this foul play will silently be hidden by a recommendation to install usrmerge on Devuan/Ceres/Excalibur? In my opinion this is to give up on their dictatorship! See further comment= s below! > Arthur, >=20 > Installing usrmerge should fix this which Devuan has inherited (however > unwelcome that may be) from Debian. See[1] for a fuller explanation. >=20 > Reassigning and merging. >=20 > Mark >=20 > [1]=A0 https://bugs.devuan.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D810#15 >=20 Quoting from bug=3D810#26 and #31: bug=3D810#26 > > Believe me that I think this Debian exercise is a waste of time, driven= by > > systemd dogma. However, for Devaun to attempt to fork every Debian pack= age > would > > just waste even more time. I do not believe this to be worthwhile. >=20 > Yes, that is a disaster... My hope was, that at least Devuan is able to > mitigate it and keeping up the good quality that Debian was before > systemd. >=20 > However, I also see that there seems to be only few persons behind to do > the work. >=20 > > I imagine you will suggest forking wpasupplicant, however that one pack= age > is not the fundamental issue here. Most, maybe all Debian packages are go= ing > to have their binaries moved in the next few months and for Devuan to res= ist > by forking would be unsustainable. >=20 > It might be needed to fork the distribution completely. Well, at least > with the main packages. There could still be some compatibility left for > contrib and non-free. I mean, debian was small too in the past. Why not > start from scratch? (You even don't need to start without anything) > Maybe it is time for a cut. >=20 > I try to fix packages myself as I did for openssh[0], pcre2[1] and since > today pcsc-lite[2]. And I have now a massive ansible role to fix all the > debian bugs as well as nagios check for broken libraries that should be > in /lib. >=20 > > I believe you have two options (I fear you will find neither palatable,= for > > which I apologise):- > >=20 > > - Install Daedalus and do not upgrade beyond that. > >=20 > > - Install the usrmerge package. >=20 > The last one will never be an option for me! Before that I would destroy > all my computers first or migrate to windows! (What, if you know me, I > would never do.) >=20 > The first would be a solution only up to when the support for that > distribution ends. >=20 bug=3D810#31 > >=20 > > > > Believe me that I think this Debian exercise is a waste of time, > > > > driven by systemd dogma. However, for Devaun to attempt to fork > > > > every Debian package would just waste even more time. I do not > > > > believe this to be worthwhile. > > >=20 > >=20 > > It seems to be around 40 packages according to Lorenzo, not too many. I > > volunteer to adopt 5-10 of them. Just let me know. > >=20 > > Yes, that is a disaster... My hope was, that at least Devuan is able > > to mitigate it and keeping up the good quality that Debian was before > > systemd. > >=20 > > However, I also see that there seems to be only few persons behind to > > do the work. >=20 > Count me in! If we won't resist Debian brainless merged /usr, I'll > have no motivation to create a Devuan Port of GNU/Hurd. > > It might be needed to fork the distribution completely. Well, at > > least with the main packages. There could still be some compatibility > > left for contrib and non-free. I mean, debian was small too in the > > past. Why not start from scratch? (You even don't need to start > > without anything) Maybe it is time for a cut. > >=20 >=20 > Yes, please! >=20 > I recently moverd all my desktops and laptops to Devuan/Daedalus, and > would prefer to continue with Devuan! >=20 > Otherwise, I would switch to Guix if Devuan no longer is an > alternative. Never again adopt Debian/RedHat madness!
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Full text available.Received: (at 813) by bugs.devuan.org; 5 Dec 2023 12:54:04 +0000 Return-Path: <[email protected]> Delivered-To: [email protected] Received: from email.devuan.org [2a01:4f8:a0:3284::74ca:8ad2] by doc.devuan.org with IMAP (fetchmail-6.4.16) for <debbugs@localhost> (single-drop); Tue, 05 Dec 2023 12:54:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from email.devuan.org by email.devuan.org with LMTP id 6lZaDVAdb2U5JwAAmSBk0A (envelope-from <[email protected]>) for <[email protected]>; Tue, 05 Dec 2023 12:53:36 +0000 Received: by email.devuan.org (Postfix, from userid 109) id 2B28364E; Tue, 5 Dec 2023 12:53:36 +0000 (UTC) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on email.devuan.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.6 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI,RDNS_DYNAMIC, SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 Received-SPF: Pass (mailfrom) identity=mailfrom; client-ip=193.36.131.86; helo=mx.hindley.org.uk; [email protected]; receiver=<UNKNOWN> Received: from mx.hindley.org.uk (193-36-131-86.cfwn.uk [193.36.131.86]) by email.devuan.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C32C196 for <[email protected]>; Tue, 5 Dec 2023 12:53:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hindley.org.uk (apollo.hindleynet [192.168.1.3]) by mx.hindley.org.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id 66857FAB; Tue, 5 Dec 2023 12:53:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: (nullmailer pid 31081 invoked by uid 1000); Tue, 05 Dec 2023 12:53:31 -0000 Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2023 12:53:31 +0000 From: Mark Hindley <[email protected]> To: [email protected], [email protected], Arthur Marsh <[email protected]> Subject: Re: bug#813: Fwd: Re: [devuan-dev] bug#813: netcat-traditional: Debian Bug#1056980: netcat-traditional: upgrade to 1.10-48 fails (postinst Message-ID: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> <170169630315.18258.8836205405161711723.reportbug@localhost> <[email protected]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> X-Debbugs-No-Ack: No Thanks Control: reassign -1 devuan-project Control: forcemerge 810 -1 Control: affects -1 netcat-traditional On Mon, Dec 04, 2023 at 03:28:48PM +0100, Svante Signell wrote: > You should not be forced to install usrmerge in a Devuan system. That package > will be forked by Devuan. Svante, I am not sure either of these assertions is agreed Devuan policy. Arthur, Installing usrmerge should fix this which Devuan has inherited (however unwelcome that may be) from Debian. See[1] for a fuller explanation. Reassigning and merging. Mark [1] https://bugs.devuan.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=810#15
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[178.78.231.178]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i16-20020a056512341000b0050bc8be7d60sm1291307lfr.212.2023.12.04.06.26.37 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 04 Dec 2023 06:26:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [devuan-dev] bug#813: netcat-traditional: Debian Bug#1056980: netcat-traditional: upgrade to 1.10-48 fails (postinst From: Svante Signell <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] To: [email protected] Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2023 15:26:47 +0100 In-Reply-To: <CABSMGam0bLu-5RQVnJ-=UAJQHSZW7WJUZk3YDu7q815DaVUa4w@mail.gmail.com> References: <170169630315.18258.8836205405161711723.reportbug@localhost> <CABSMGam0bLu-5RQVnJ-=UAJQHSZW7WJUZk3YDu7q815DaVUa4w@mail.gmail.com> Organization: Home Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Evolution 3.46.4-2 MIME-Version: 1.0 On Mon, 2023-12-04 at 08:33 -0500, B Stack wrote: > Of course this is related to usrmerge in our upstream distro, and is > solved once you `apt-get install usrmerge` which was blocked for me > until I also ran: >=20 > =A0=A0=A0 sudo rm -f /lib/udev/rules.d/99-libsane1.rules > /lib/udev/rules.d/60-libsane1.rules /lib/udev/hwdb.d/20-sane.hwdb >=20 > For some reason. Now of course these steps don't actually fix > netcat-traditional itself for a non-merged system, but it does allow > the package to finish installing. You should not be forced to install usrmerge in a Devuan system. That packa= ge will be forked by Devuan. FYI: You can always revert the usrmerge installation with dpkg-fsys-usrunme= ss! --=-Ii1Dg6w18wFethnJaPPV--
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